ms. lofgren: just a final question. there's been talk of shutting the government down and that would somehow stop -- what would happen to funding for planned parenthood if we had a government shutdown at the end of this month? ms. smith: because i'm not an official at planned parenthood, i don't know what would happen with their funding stream, when it would come in. it would be medicaid recipients would not be covered i assume for their services. and would be unable to go to planned parenthood clinics, and women would go without necessary -- and their children would go without necessary health care. ms. lofgren: but it wouldn't defund abortions. i think we should be able to keep those things separate here as well. they are separate in reality. my time has expired, thank you mr. chairman. chairman: i think the gentlelady. >> thank you mr. chairman. can you describe the process of a partial birth, abortion so people have a better understanding of what it was banned. and a better understanding of what professor smith argu

ms. lofgren for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. my apologies for having to step out. i chair the california democratic delegation, and we had the secretary of labor meeting with us. and i had to go over for 50 minutes to deal with that. however, i've had the benefit of reading all the testimony, of course hearing the testimony this morning. and, you know, i really -- it seems to me that there are a lot of distortions in terms of how we are approaching it, this issue. the real agenda here is pretty obvious, which is to try and outlaw or eliminate abortion in the united states. that is a right that women have under the constitution. at least in the first trimester. and i think it's -- this is a thinly veiled attack on that right that women have. now, ms. smith, you are at the law school. you've analyzed all of this stuff. i've got a list of the services that are provided by planned parenthood in my state in california. 117 centers, just over 800,000 patients. it could not be absorbed by the other clinics at all. none of the abortion services are funded by the federal go