ms. linda martin from the housing authority and mr. justin davis come up to the stage. (applause) >> good morning. the san francisco housing authority would like to present five graduates with a scholarship to assist with the expenses of higher education. these graduates have been accepted into two or four-year colleges. a big thank you first of all from the housing authority does go to our graduates because you are now examples, both in your families and your communities and in san francisco. so, without further ado, the first scholarship goes to mariana sanders who has been accepted to sweet buyer college in virginia. (applause) >> the second scholarship goes to juan, attending a two-year college. (applause) >> the third scholarship goes to gregory sail bury who has also been accepted and attending a two-year college. (applause) ~ >> the fourth scholarship goes to deja moore who has been accepted and attending san francisco state university. (applause) >> okay, juan has to be here. juan jones who has been accepted and attending city college. [cheering and applauding]

ms. martin. >> there it goes. well, i tell you what i suggest. every block should have a block club.[applause] every block should have a block club. you see, problems start at the local level, and it takes local interaction to deal with them. some of the most exciting times i've had in life was when i was the block club organizer. because people themselves hold many of the solutions to whatever it is that they call problems. and then you move from one level to the next and from that level to the next. for every issue there's not messily a great legislative remedy. many legislative efforts take five to ten years even when you get them passed. i'm saying even when you work on an idea that you've put into a proposal to become a bill, it may take five, it may take ten years before you get that passed. but there are always things that individuals can do right where they are, right in their communities, right in their neighborhoods, and you can't always be looking out there somewhere for the solutions that can be found right here. [applause] >> i wish that young man had not walked out, but

martin was sitting, and where ms. green was sitting. >> i was seated in front of my desk facing my computer monitor. mr. martin was to my rear left, and next to him was his girlfriend or fiance brandy. kind of like in that posture. >> ok. so if i'm sitting at my screen right here, you were sitting down. >> yes, sir. >> tracy martin then was just over your left shoulder? >> yes, sir. >> then brandy green just behind or next to him. >> yes, sir. >> and what was the focus at that point? >> the audio portion of the recording that was playing on my computer. >> okay. we know, and i want to focus you on what we have shorthand called the lauer 911 call. you understand what i mean by that? >> yes, sir. >> and that is the call that has the screams on it and the gunshot. >> yes, sir. >> and did you play that for mr. martin and ms. green? >> yes, sir. i played all the recordings for him. >> okay. focusing on the 911 call we just talked about, the lauer 911 call, tell me how you played that, what volume or how the setting of that

ms. martin's feelings, and that's why she modified -- you're supposed to tell the absolute truth here, but going to ask a -- someone like ms. jeantel not to come in and not acknowledge the sensitivities, and why she made it sound a bit better when telling the story of her son's passing when telling the story to ms. fulton. she said something said something, blue car, red car, blue car, yeah, something like that, a little agitated, and movement down. that's where we got the movement down. she said, to -- down to the past, and john good said it happened in the front, and there was only one person yelling for help. that's significant. because there is no evidence, none to suggest it was more than one person yelling for help. and if so -- no evidence that more than one person was yelling for help. she was talking about they are knowledge, lack of knowledge about the street signs. ms. moore said she heard what she heard and saw what she saw. we talked about him a lot. i think he's a significant witness, because he watched for 8 to 10 seconds, and he was the basis for the animation, the informat

martin's cuffs and what not. but generally speaking, not a lot of significance. ms. fulton. people ask why i even questioned her, how dare you question the mom of a passed-away 17-year-old. doctors cut people sometimes when they do their work, and that was something that i had to present to you to something about the way it happened and how it happened and, you know, the impact and just how moms think about these things. both sides. finish because i know that both moms believe with their heart and with their soul that that was their son screaming for help. you have to. and you want to. and it's just the way you get through it. jahvaris fullson, the brother, he -- fulton, he really didn't know. i think he told you when he was talking to the nbc affiliate, it could have been him, not certain, might have been, i think it was. now he's more certain. well, again, i'm okay with that. i'm okay with people wanting to hear what they want to hear. dr. bao, that was the state's decision to bring him before you as the medical examiner. really actually a decision, he was the one who did

ms. martin said, we have to roll up our sleeves and do even more work to make sure this doesn't happen to anybody else's child, and mr. martin thanks everybody for all the peaceful protests, and as he says, trayvon can't rest in peace if we're not peaceful. fimplts peaceful a keyword. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >>> this important programming note to our viewers, please be sure to tune in tonight for an anderson cooper special report only here on cnn. >>> when we come back, a fiery debate just ahead over the controversial stand your ground law. the reverend jesse jackson is here, together with a prominent tea party activist. they have very different views. they will debate. >>> also dangerous 100-degree temperatures baking the northeast right now. relief may not be in sight for days. we'll have the latest forecast. stay with us. tony used priceline to book this 4 star hotel. tell 'em why. free breakfast with express deals, you can save big and find a hotel with free breakfast without bidding. don't you just love those little cereal boxes? priceline saving

ms. martin is intervention. what immediate intervention would you suggest -- would you support, to help protect our today and tomorrow while we provide the long-term nterventions of jobs, education, parenting classes, etc. to ust protect our children home.l, from work, and at xample -- would you recommend military protection. what immediate intervention do today gest to support from ms. martin? >> who -- >> well, i tell you what i suggest. should have a block club. a block ck should have club. the ee, problems start at local level. interaction local to deal with them. ome of the most exciting times i've had in life was when i was club organizer. people themselves hold many of the solutions to it is that they call problems. to you move from one level the next. and from that level to the next. there's not ue, necessarily a great legislative remedy. any legislative efforts take ive to 10 years even when you get them passed. i'm saying even when you work on an idea that you've put in to a to become a bill. it may ta

ms. jeantel about trayvon martin, what was he thinking and why was he doing certain things.is, that is legally objectionable. you cannot ask a witness on the stand about what someone else, someone else who frankly is dead, what they were thinking and what they were doing because you did not observe it, and that is state of mind. so i put this on the prosecution. >> and i also agree that with ms. jeantel's demeanor and her somewhat aggressiveness, it kind of put in the jurors' minds, okay, if she has this type of attitude, is that what trayvon martin had? >> that's right. >> is that why -- >> what about the cracker comment? i'm a northerner. cracker is not a word i hear from black or white. it must be a local term, southern, i guess, certainly southern. what did you make of it? didn't seem to bother her as an ethnic term of drigs? >> i think it was an ignorant term. i think her being 19 years old did not think of the consequence of using those types of terms. i think it did hurt the prosecution to bring out that type of mentality. >> but it also went to how authentic rachel j

martin and ms. green? sir, i played all the recordings for him. >> focusing on the 911 call, tell me how you played that, what volume or how the setting of that occurred? >> i can't recall the number as far as the volume went, but it was audible. relatively clear, as clear as i had. it was played off of a -- i believe off of a cd. it might have been digital, an e-mail. i don't quite remember. but it was played. and it was audible. >> okay. and what was mr. martin's response? >> emotional. understandab understandable. i let him listen first. >> i'm sorry? >> i let him listen first before i asked anything. >> okay. and what did you ask him? >> i believe my words were, "is that your son's voice in the background" or -- i think i said it a little differently than that, but i inquired as if that was, in fact, his son yelling for help. >> and what was his response? >> he -- it was more of a verbal and nonverbal. he looked away, and under his breath, as i interpreted it, said no. >> did he ever ask that the tape

martin and ms. green to your office?ring them up to speed as far as the progress of the investigation, where we were at that point. >> okay. they had some concerns, did they not, as to whether or not mr. zimmerman at that point had been arrested. >> yes, sir. >> okay. were you sharing with them your progress, what was done and still needed to be done? >> yes, sir. >> and can you outline the setting, where you were when you had this conversation with the two of them? >> we conducted a meeting in the conference room that we have in the police department on the second floor, and i -- and after that i went ahead and played the

ms. the trayvon martin murder case we'll bring you the verdict live as soon as there is one.t them. >>> now to san francisco where a third pin has died in the crash of asiana flight 214. that investigation continues. for more on all this, let's go to san francisco where stephanie eel l elam has the story. i want to talk about where the investigation stands and operations at the airport. this victim, the third person to die. i know there are not a lot of details being released about this young girl. but what do we know? >> reporter: right, kate. we do know it was a minor. she was a female and died at san francisco general hospital where she's been in critical condition since a week ago today when the accident happened. her parents have asked that her parents not be released. we do know she was under the age of 18. not very much information there. we can also tell you that they have confirmed that there is another girl, one of the first original two girls that we know died the day of the crash, one was hit by a fire truck in response to the fire. they were dousing the plane wit

martin's family. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman's time has expired. for what purpose does the rise? ady from florida without objection, the gentlewoman's request is granted. ms. brown: tre'von martin a young constituent -- >> mr. speaker, tre'von martin a young constituent of mine, was brutally murdered in sanford, florida. i know within my heart and will always know that things should have been different. but i accept the law. i was one of the loudest voices calling for a fair trial for tre'von. mr. wilson: after he was profiled -- mrs. wilson: after he was profiled, racially, he was followed, he was harassed, and he was shot in the heart. nd so on sunday in miami david county -- in miami-dade county, all the churches held prayer services. all the churches prayed for the martin and fulton families. all of us are so saddened ecause we have lost our son, our son tre'von -- tre'von who was only 16 years old. he had only been 17 for two weeks. god bless our justice system that they will see that it should not end here. we must make sure that justice prevails for tre'von martin. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady's time has expired. for what purpose does th

ms. fulton and mr. martin said, so they can answer questions of their children, and that's what many parents are doing around america this morning. >> attorney general parks also representing the martin family weighed in as well. >> without question every one in america sitting at home this morning knows that if a 28-year-old black man shot and killed a young, white boy anywhere in america, that person would be arrested and face a trial, without question. >> those comments come after zimmerman's defense team reacted last night by expressing gratitude to the jury of six women that found their client not guilty. >> we are ecstatic with the results. george zimmerman was never guilty of anything except protecting himself in self-defense. i'm glad the jury saw it that way and give everyone thanks, particularly those who doubteded george's reasons and doubted his background now understand the jury knew, everything they knew, was enough for them to find him not guilty. >> that reaction came moments after the prosecut

ms. jill martin. >> hi, kids. how is everyone today? how is the group?>> tell me why she deserves it. >> she's hard working. she's never had one done before. and i think she deserves it. >> and i know your brothers are really excited. what do you guys think? >> i think she earns it, definitely. >> yes, i hear you with that one. >> these are men of few words. okay. so i see this body. take a look at this body. i think we're going to give you a whole new york city glam look and you'll be fabulous. are you nervous? your ready? >> yeah, i'm ready for it. >> she's ready and here with the gang. her dad robbie and her brothers -- >> wait a minute. >> and her brothers -- >> you know, we don't judge around here. >> so there's robbie, robert and robbie. okay. >> here's barbara brown before. let's see the new you. ♪ >> don't take them off yet, guys. >> right here. >> all right, guys. take off your blindfolds. take them off. >> holy -- >> oh, my god! >> wow! >> beautiful. >> one of them is speechless. >> turn around and take a look at yourself. >> do you have your g

martin. >> we needed facts. unlike what ms. corey said, but like those who watched knew the defense put on the case. we proved george zimmerman is not guilty. the prosecution of george zimmerman was disgraceful. i am gratified by the jury's verdict. as happy i am for george zimmerman i am thrilled that this jury kept this tragedy from becoming a travisty. >> we are very, very, very saddened but we accept the jury's verdict in this case. first and foremost on behalf of tracy martin and sybrina fulton who are heart broken right now, we ask that you keep them in your prayers. >> so it took the jury a little more than 16 hours to set george zimmerman free. what did his attorneys do right? what did prosecutors do wrong? let's ask our fox fox news legal am list and our defense attorney and prosecutor. good to see both of you. >> thank you. >> good to be here. >> before we get into what they did right or wrong i want to go into what they just reported on. the idea that the naacp and the rainbow push coalition on the same accord urging

ms. hill. he wished someone would send someone to find hill. the only problem is while hill wouldn't be crazy about the exterminate part as a tea partier, she has no problem with the extreme prejudice. martin sheen was busy. the report accuses hill, that was an apocalypse joke. at first i thought big deal, brainwashing. no surprise she would make her

ms. fulton and mr. martinons of their children, and that's what many parents are doing around america this morning. >> attorney general parks also representing the martin family weighed in as well. >> without question every one in america sitting at home this morning knows that if a 28-year-old black man shot and killed a

ms. fulton emphasized this morning was that trayvon martin did nothing wrong.is. >> is this the intent for the justice system to have for victims? i mean, they're sending a terrible message to other little black and brown boys that you can't walk fast, you can't walk slow. so what do they do? how do you get home without people knowing or assuming that you're doing something wrong? trayvon wasn't doing anything wrong. >> professor, you have been criticized personally for suggesting that this is an experience particular to the black community, but you are not, i take it, suggesting that whites should be killed in order to empathize, are you? >> absolutely not, martin. wlet me say i'm appalled that any suggestion of the kind and i'm astonished that anyone twists my words to twist that -- so let me issue an apology to anybody who might have believed that i had made any kind of suggestion, let me say to the right-wing hacks who have twisted my words with malicious intent that that is the furthest thing from the truth. and what i am arguing is black kids are racially

ms. fulton and mr. martin. has he at all reached out to talk to them? communicate?porter: the white house has not said that he's reached out to them. as far as we know, the answer is no. i would suspect that at some point, that would happen, brooke. but it's very clear that the white house wants to stay out of the specifics of this case. and the president doesn't want to get involved while the department of justice is still determining whether there is a federal case to pursue with george zimmerman. as you recall, the department of justice is looking into whether there is a hate crimes case to pursue against george zimmerman. so perhaps it would seem inappropriate for the president to make contact while another branch of his government is making that decision. if i could make one point about the -- the quote you just read, you know, as i said earlier, the president seems to be trying to speak to white america and saying, listen, if you don't see why so many african-americans are upset and disappointed in this verdict, remember the history of racism that through whic

ms. fulton or mr. de la rionda and showed up slightly in a deposition. if that fact, trayvon martin was that concerned about his safety, let just say that was better communicated to ms. jeantel and the prosecutor, then why in those four minutes when he had 80 yards why did he stay around so that altercation could occur? because he made the decision to not go home what might have been in his mind? george zimmerman could have gone him? >> absolutely. there was a thousand points this could have not happened. >> anderson cooper had a fascinating interview with a juror, how confusing they found the law. >> the law became very confusing. >> tell me about that. >> it became very confusing. we had stuff thrown at us. we had the second-degree murder charge, the manslaughter charge, then we had self-defense, stand your ground. >> did you feel like you understood the instructions from the judge because they were very complex. >> that was our problem. i mean, it was just so confusing what went -- what was what and what we could apply to what. >> i mean, it is confusing and complicated, you know

one of the prosecution's final witnesses before doing so was trayvon martin's mother, sybrina fulton. this is msto part of a 911 recording in court and her reaction. >> i can't see him. i don't want to go out there. i don't know what's going on. >> you think he's yelling help? >> yes. >> ma'am, that screaming, or yelling, do you recognize that? >> yes. >> and who do you recognize that to be, ma'am? >> trayvon benjamin martin. >> trayvon martin's brother also testified about that very same recording. >> what parts of the recording do you recognize as your brother's voice? >> the yelling and the screaming. >> had you ever heard trayvon martin yell or scream as the two of you were growing up? >> i've heard him yell, but not like that, but, yes. >> the defense opened its case with several witnesses including zimmerman's uncle, saying the person yelling for help on that recording was george zimmerman. the defense called the defendant's mother, gladys zimmerman. >> do you know whose voice that was screaming in the background? >> yes, sir. >> and whose voice was that? >> my son, george. >> and are you

martin was? >> not according to what we hear from his parents, not according to what we hear from ms. jeantel. the state opted not to put any other family members on. we didn't see any of his friends being put on. we didn't get a picture of trayvon martin, at least from the state perspective. you know, let people ask the state, why did they not put on other people who could give a better picture, better composite of who trayvon martin was? you can't fault the defense for having done that for george zimmerman. that's their job. the question people need to ask is, why did the state not do that? >> can you blame the jury for coming to its conclusion? >> well, i don't think blame is necessarily the word. i think the bigger issue here is just how the presentation did not match the seriousness of the crime and how the presentation paled in comparison to what the defense did. i think this is very telling, if we had seen that rachel jeantel from piers morgan's interview last night and she had been transformed into the rachel jeantel last week because of don west cross examination, it would have been m

and let's not forget, judge, that when trayvon martin was known to have been rining away from george zimmerman, george zimmerman was still in his car. ms that at the time of the second to last call disconnected is when she told trayvon martin to run and he did. because the next time she talked with him, he told her that he had lost the man. the reconnect time was about 20 seconds. and then they stayed on the phone for the next 3 or 3 1/2 minutes. in the meantime, george zimmerman is on the phone for a good bit of that time with the police. so what we know from that in and of itself is that trayvon martin had two or three minutes to get home, to get home 348 feet. he had 2 or 3 or maybe 4 minutes to do that and chose not to. he decided either to go home and come back or that he decided to hang around and wait for george zimmerman to get off the phone so he could confront george zimmerman and ask him whatever he said, why are you following me or, man, what's your problem, whatever that was he said, he's the one that initiated it. that's clear from ms. jen jeantel and frankly any other evidence. we know that happened from the physical evi

>> the mayor, the martin family, and the attorneys, mr. crump and ms. jackson and trayvon's brother. then there was another individual and i don't know his name. >> was there any law enforcement present? >> no. >> was that a decision that you and/or the mayor made to keep law enforcement out of the room? >> we had asked the family -- i asked the family if they wanted law enforcement. they said they'd rather have law enforcement not in the room at the time. so we obliged their request. >> and did you discuss that with chief lee in regard to his desire to be in the room? >> at that point we just informed the chief as well as the other officers to not be in the same room. >> do you recall how many times the tape was played? >> which tape? >> let's focus on the 911 tape that had the screams for help on it. >>, no i do not. >> were you there for all the times it was played? >> i was in the vicinity. i wasn't always in the room. >> okay. was either you or the mayor in the room at all times the tape was being played? >> i don't recall. >> how many times was th

ms. jeantel, there were challenges within it. we showed through her testimony, the second to last phone call ended with trayvon martin. it started and then when the event itself occurred, through that testimony, it was pointed out that there were four minutes in between the time when trayvon martin ran off until he reappeared and the confrontation with george zimmerman occurred. as well, the circumstances under which ms. jeantel was asked to answer questions were extraordinarily challenging for her. my goodness. she wanted to be left alone. she did not volunteer anything until she was pulled out of this. and the first interview she gave was with the family lawyer, with the family present on the other end of the phone. it was an interview made for tv, not for law enforcement. it was then followed by an interview with state attorney's office on april 2nd under the most extraordinary circumstances. it took place in miss fulton's living room with miss fulton sitting next to ms. jeantel, that was the witness saying i was uncomfortable. i changed my testimony to accommodate the feelings of miss fulton. that was the set issi

ms. fulton having just lost her son. we know that rachel jeantel, who is said to be the 16-year-old girlfriend of trayvon martin, we knowtrue. we know she's 18 years old and they only really reacquainted two weeks before. so we know there was not the connectivity that was presented early on, and that's what's in ms. jeantel's mind. she tells the story to ms. fulton over the phone in a very weird, awkward way, and then it's exacerbated by mr. de la rionda having her retell the story with ms. fulton sitting on the couch crying. it's the worst way to present a witness. it should never have been in front of the victim's mother. having said all of that, i think ms. jeantel came across as being not wanting to be there, i think she had a bit of an attitude because she was there, i don't think she took very kindly to the way mr. west was examining her -- >> i think you're quite right, yeah. >> -- and i think that showed, and i give her her due in that she didn't want to be involved in our system. she was thrust into our system, one that she's completely unaware of and she was sort of stuck and prodded. if you put me in a hospit

martin family attorney benjamin crump. >> bill: first time i have talked with you ms. fulton, everybody on my staff feels this way. we are sorry you have to be here and go through. this i have a son. i can't imagine the pain that you go through. you know your son is there one day and the next day is he gone. i think all americans are feeling your pain. we all want justice in the case. last night i said that from the very beginning, i don't know whether you know it, but certainly counselor crump calls we just called for calm. we said let the system work. let's not convict this zimmerman on television. let's not make these wild charges. a lot of people didn't follow my advice. they didn't. and i said last night that some of them should apologize like reverend sharpton. was i wrong to say that? >> i don't know the circumstances behind it. but he, also, promotes peace. we have never asked for anybody to do anything out of the ordinary. we wanted to have peaceful rallies and peaceful protests. we are not supporting any violence or anything like that. >> bill: no, you yourself and trayvon's father absolutely have been m

martin today. the rallies organized by the national action network whose president is ms nbc host the rev vend al sharptonand victims families marked the one year anniversary of the aurora theater shooting which left 12 people dead. now, let's take you back to "locked up." >> inmates at the santa rita recreationakland, red shirting could mean a card game in the day room or an hour in the outside area. they can enjoy california sunshine? one of the jail's rec. yards. though most would preforebe outside the high security walls one group can't seem to get enough of the place. >> fly south for the winter and north come spring. the fact is they are attracted to different large green areas. >> we have more green here and why fly any farther when i could stay right here. >> while they help bring some natural beauty to an otherwise dismal setting they also leave behind a natural nuisance. >> manure. it just makes a mess. that is the main issue. they get everywhere and make a mess. >> they sometimes have a field day and so when you are walking back and forth to the housing units you try to avoid it. >> an ongoing

>> the mayor, the martin family and the attorneys, mr. crump and ms. jackson. and trayvon's brother and another individual. >> was there law enforcement present? >> no. >> was that a decision that you and/or the mayor made to keep law enforcement out of the room? >> we asked the family if they wanted law enforcement and they said they would rather to not have law enforcement at the time. we obliged the request. >> did you discuss that with chief lee? >> at that point we informed the chief as well as other officers to not be in the same room. >> do you recall how many times the tape was played? >> which tape? >> let's focus on the 911 tape with the screams for help on it. >> i do not. >> were you there for all the times it was played? >> i was in the vicinity. i wasn't always in the room. >> was either you or the mayor in the room at all times the tape was being played? >> i do not recall. >> how many times was the tape played while you were in the room? >> i do not recall? >> more than one? >> the tape that has the screams, yes, that was played more than once.

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martin always wore? >> yes. >> thank you. no further questions. >> any cross? >> no, thank you, your honor. >> thank you. may ms. d? >> yes, your honor. >> thank you very much, ma'am. call your next witness. >> i would call dr. bow. i guess it was a redirect. trayvon martin's mother identified a button coming from her son's clothing that day. on the stand next we believe is the medical examiner. as we wait for the medical examiner to take the oath, to come into the courtroom, that was strange, page. they couldn't get the evidence locker open this morning. they were trying to get the button out. that's why sybrina had to leave the stand and come back later. the significance of this? >> i don't understand it at all. if the issue is to get that piece of evidence in court i'm sure the defense would stipulate to it. it seemed awkward. i'm sure the jury wonders the same. [ swearing in witness ] >> you may proceed. >> thank you, your honor. i will give you a minute to get your file. you can state your name for the record, sir. >> good morning. my name is shiping bao. >> what is your occupation, sir? >> i am the associat

just before she began to testify, martin, that according to mark o'mara, she is going to be the defense's last witness. mark o'mara was saying right before he called ms. dilligard to the stand that this would be the last witness. they will, of course, have that hearing that you alluded to right after she testifies, and then they also have to spend some time talking about two other witnesses. but there seems to be at this point, at least, a pretty good chance the defense will wrap its case tomorrow, and of course both sides would then begin making its closing arguments shortly thereafter. the hearing you just alluded to, the hearing on this particular animation, that consumed the better part of the morning, a hearing that was supposed to take about 30 minutes. >> craig, i've got to interrupt you briefly and politely, because ms. dilligard is about to give evidence once again, so we're going back to the courtroom. but do stay with us, craig. >> no, then he asked me my name and i gave it to him and i gave him my phone number. >> okay. and then -- now we move back to the time you were in the area of the event. went back looking for mrs. zimmerman, didn't