ms. mattison has will and testament. the sheriff has stated that he grabbed his wife's arm in a domestic argument. that is i think the substance of what ms. madison and ms. williams will tell you that ms. lopez told them. i am not convinced they have anything that you would need to hear. chairperson hur: thank you. >> before you leave. in view of what you just said, have you asked the city attorney, if we stipulate to those facts that you just said, will the city attorney agree that there is no need to put on witnesses who presumably are primarily going to testify to what ms. lopez told them happened? >> not in so many words. but just to give you a sense of what is happening. i believe it was last monday or tuesday. mr. keith and ms. kaiser sent us a fairly -- a fairly long stipulation. we look to the that over and gave them our response. end of last week. that fact was included. i did not say, if we -- the commission does not need to hear from ms. madison or ms. williams. we have not fleshed out to that extent yet. i'm n