ms. mccarthy. he says that the clean air act section 111-d affirmative prohibits epa from regulating any air pollutant emitted in an existing source category which is regulated under the national emission regime of section 112 of the clean air act. so section 111-d says if it's regulated under 112 you can't regulate it any other way. now, epa has opposed extensive regulations on existing coal-fired power plants under section 112. is that correct? >> i think that the framing of the legal argument is incorrect, senator. >> well, but let me ask you this. i'm not asking you for that, i'm asking you, does epa impose regulations on existing coal-fired power plants under section 112? >> we certainly do. >> okay, well thank you for that. so based on that, madam chair and members of the committee, the attorney general of west virginia says having been regulated under section 112, the epa lacks the legal authority to further regulate these emissions under section 111-d. now let me ask you this also, time is

ms. mccarthy. i don't think there's any doubt about it. things that are cost effective, clean, efficiency programs are things that, properly done, i think do make america healthier and stronger economy and there are common ground that we can have. one of the common grounds i think is nuclear power and we need to consider that more. last month in our regulatory group versus epa's supreme court said this. "when an agency claims to discover in a long statute an unheralded power to regulate a significant portion of the american econo

ms. mccarthy. >> thank you, mr. chairman. chairman hochberg, i notice that we only get five minutes and then notice that you've always been writing something down. obviously, was there was somebody on this panel or, i understand that you in the back listening to the first panel. so i'm going to stop talking and any questions that you want to answer or things that you've heard that you want to give a rebuttal to, i'm giving you the opportunity to do that now. >> thank you very much. let me try and answer one or two questions we have. we look to make sure that any benefit, any export, the benefit to the u.s. economy outweighs any harm. that's referred to as economic impact. so if we are financing the export of an airplane, we want to make sure that the dollar amount used economy could outweigh any potential harm. we look at every transaction, not just aircraft to make sure we're complying. the last thing we want to do, the people at ex-im bank is refused the company -- is hurt the u.s. economy. the committee staff receives ever

ms. mccarthy. >> thank you, and i would like to remind my colleagues with the poll numbers that are out there we're not liked by anybody, so maybe we should all retire. barney, welcome back. it is good to see you. you know, i think a lot of people here, especially some of the new members don't remember that we were having meetings almost every day. it took us over a year to come up with the -- i call it the frank bill. i still don't like putting dodd on there mainly because of all the headaches. and an awful lot of the headaches that we have had have come because of the dodd part of it. with that being said, there are many things in the dodd-frank that we had wanted. we couldn't get it in. then things had changed. certainly, you know, i'm one that was fighting for the community bankers. barney knows that, many of us here were trying to do that. we also felt with the business model of the insurance companies that really had nothing to assert the logic of the collapse. but i think that one of the things we have to keep reminding people, not only was the financial industry -- had nothing absolut

maureen mccarthy, deputy chief of patient care services for the veterans health administration, and ms. lorraine landry, deputy -- lorraine landfried, deputy chief information officer for product development. they are accompanied by dr. mary lawrence, deputy director of the vision center of excellence, and mr. pat sheehan, director of va's 508 compliance office. [inaudible conversations] i think we will continue for committee members, we will continue the process as stating your name so those that are vision impaired in the audience to know who is speaking. i would ask the panel to do the same. dr. mccarthy, your complete a written statement will be made part of the hearing record, and you are now recognized for five minutes. >> thank you. good morning, chairman coffman, ranking member kirkpatrick, and members of the committee. i appreciate the opportunity to discuss the department of veterans affairs contributions to the vision center of excellence and they care and services provided to veterans with visual impairment. i am accompanied today by dr. mary lawrence, deputy director of th