ms. mccarthy: no. this is one of the arguments i am seeing, because it is the most vulnerable and low income communities that we are acting for. they are the ones most damaged by a changing climate. we see it over and over again. we are not going to hurt the very people we are trying to help, so this plan does a couple of things. it provides clean air for our kids, and it provides carbon-pollution reductions. we are talking about a net gain in 2030, every year, about $45 billion in savings, because the energy world always costs money. the energy world in 2030 with this plan will cost less, and it will save lives. charlie: so you say this is simply not true. ms. mccarthy: net benefits, and the cost to consumers by 2030 will actually be an $85 per year savings, because the world we are looking at is cheaper. it is easier. it is. the first year of compliance, it will be about one gallon of milk, about three dollars. by 2025, that will go down to one dollar, and then the savings accrue, so there is no way

ms. mccarthy: these are one of the confusions that i hope people will take a closer look. reduction credits can be earned, not just in renewables and efficiency. emission reduction credits are sort of the -- can be earned in a rate based system wherein it is allowances. it is a lingo for doing the trading mechanisms to account for the reductions appropriately. what they are talking about is not an early reduction program that we initiated. for essentially two reasons. we were convinced by the comments we received that it was better to start the mandatory reductions in 2022. that there was a significant lift we were asking early on. that would have driven to higher cost options having to have been invested in as opposed to wait a little while longer so that lower cost -- cost options would be available. it ended up in a very significant increase in renewable energy because of the growth we have been saying in renewable energy. for right policy and legal reasons and technical, it was better. we went to make sure there was not a hiatus. people were not waiting for 2022 and we

ms. mccarthy said an epa investigation is already underway.d there will also be an independent investigation. she herself will brief the president on what the epa is doing when she returns to washington tomorrow. meantime those who make their livelihoods on or around the animas river are counting the cost. millions of dollars in economic damages to rafting companies for instance, but also perhaps most of all to many native-american farmers who farm a large amount of land alongside the animas river. now gina mccarthy at the epa says the quality of the water is returning to what she called, pre--event levels. state officials though are clearly more skeptical. listen here. >> damage sometimes doesn't show up for months or even years. and when it comes to heavy metals in water, like copper and lead, arsenic and mercury, those metals settle into the sediment along a river. >> reporter: and as well as the economic costs to businesses, melissa, there is also the small matter the $100 million, estimated so far in cleanup costs. a very, very expensive

ms. swain: denise mccarthy wants to know in twitter, did woodrow wilson become consumed with ellen's illness and did it affect his performance as president? mr. cooper: not to the very end consumed, not until the very end. by and large it was kept a secret from him. and -- yes -- and so -- and that was ellen's wish too. she didn't want to burden him. ms. miller: well, i think everybody was just in denial. i don't think ellen knew how sick she was. i think she was hoping she would get better. mr. cooper: yes. ms. miller: the doctors kept telling her she would get better. mr. cooper: yes. ms. miller: i think the doctors were in denial. mr. cooper: yes. ms. miller: so i don't think woodrow really knew she was dying until like the day she died. mr. cooper: but i mean that those -- that those last days of hers, when he is literally at her -- at her sick bed every possible minute, you know, the other hand, the world is literally falling apart, with world war i and he's having to deal with that. i mean it's a terrible thing. it's just -- it's terribly affecting. ms. swain: holly hahn wanted to know

ms. this weekend to cheer up the children who are staying there. melissa mccarthyapped photos. the movie is filming in boston. they took time out to spread a little love and smiles. patients big and small who could use a little cheer. >> put a smile on my face and i wasn't there. thanks very much. >>> let's get a check on the roads right now from another guy that makes us smile day in and day out even though he often delivers bad news matt pelman. >> down right terrible news. we wish these delays would ghost but i don't think they're going to vanish any time soon brian and especially here on the eastbound vine. it's a solid line from the schuylkill out to 95. extra heavy this afternoon because of that new traffic pattern on the northbound side of 95 in the work zone and girard. we've been having a tough time getting used to that today and it's causing extra heavy delays on northbound 95 that are spilling back onto the eastbound vine that are spilling back onto the schuylkill. as you head towards the schuylkill on the westbound side of 676 you can see there's a cras