ms. mccarthy. i'm going to ask you the same question, because the witness that resigned indicated that there was nothing that they could have done differently and there was no fault on her part or the part of the epa, as it related to this unbelievable, horrific event. so, do you believe that the epa is partially at fault? >> i believe that we could have taken different action and been more aggressive. >> that's not the question. are you partially at fault, yes or no? >> i'm not playing a blame shifting game, sir. it would be easy -- >> you do agree that you are partially at fault? >> the system failed, we were part of that system. >> let me, do you -- both of them indicated that the rules with regards to copper and lead are somewhat ambiguous, that they needed more clarity. we have heard that. would you agree with that, governor? >> i would go much further than that, it's a dumb and dangerous rule. >> all right. ms. mccarthy. do you agree that the current rules as they are are ambiguous and need c

ms. mccarthy, that was a dig at you. right? >> yes. >> saying that ensuring clean water costs too many jobs. is that right? >> that's how i would read it, sir. >> there are many more republican statements like this. republican governor scott walker of wisconsin proposed converting the epa into, and i quote, an umbrella organization that really is limited to mediating interstate conflicts. senator ernst of iowa said this. shut down the epa and focus on those issues we where here in the state where the state knows best how to protect resources. what about the state protecting people? ms. mccarthy, obviously the state of michigan did not know best in this case. they poisoned thousands of their own people. is that correct? >> they did not do their job, yes. >> house republicans including those in this committee have voted there at every turn to gut the epa's authority to enforce the clean air act, the clean water act, the national environmental policy act and the list goes on. you know, despite all of these republican statements th

ms. mccarthy. we asked him if he considered the city council impotent during his tenure. his answer, on the record, was "absolutely." do you know how many pages of edicts were issued by your appointed emergency managers in this tragic time period, governor? >> no, but also, let me respond to your comment about ambrose -- >> hold on. let me just show you. because i've only got five minutes. ladies and gentlemen, hold them up, please. these are the stacks of edicts issued by your emergency managers, not by the city council of flint. now, do you know how many of those 8,000 pages dealt with meaningful steps to protect the citizens of flint from lead flowing through their pipes, governor? your appointees. >> no. >> not one. not one. >> congressman, i encourage you to go look at public act -- >> wait a minute, governor, it's my five minutes. i'm sorry. i wish i had ten, then i'd give you all the time in the world. this is a failure of a philosophy of governance you advocated. there's no evidence, even a

ms. mccarthy. >>> one minnesota county is changing how officers accused of crimes are charged. prosecutor says he will stop using grand juries to make that call. it's a reaction to a police shooting and the protests that followed. >> reporter: for 18 days last november protesters in minnesota camped outside of police headquarters and demanded justice for jamar clark. >> the one went off. but the guy was not fighting back. >> reporter: police say he was fighting with them when they shot and killed him. witnesses say he was handcuffed. in light of other high profile shootings nationwide, protesters in minnesota demanded that the prosecutor not use a grand jury in this case. he has obliged. >> grabbed juries will no longer be used. >> reporter: it ends a four decade long tradition there of using grand juries in police shootings. in that time, not a single officer has ever been charged. he says this will make the system more fair and accountable, but he doesn't think others should necessarily follow his lead. and in other communities they may feel the juice of the grand jury in pol

ms. mccarthy has tried to paint in this courtroom. i'm not a monster.'m not a monster. >> narrator: we waited to see if a judge would buy reginald's story, or the prosecutor's. and here it was. >> you are a cold, calculating, conniving, coward of a conman who must be punished. >> narrator: and indeed he was, life without parole. >> take him away. >> narrator: so that was justice, the most nailah's family could hope for. terribly important. and strangely, empty. >> it's still not done. she's still not back. we still can't talk with her. >> narrator: no, they try to remember nailah, not as a murder victim, but as the beautiful young woman she was, the vibrant center of her family. but grief, real and painful, comes to visit every day. >> you know, people say, oh, well she's your spirit and she's your angel and she's in a better place and all this other stuff, i'm like yeah, but i want her here, i don't want my 28-year-old sister to be my angel, i want her to be right here in the thick of it with me. >> reporter: that's all for this edition of "dateline."

ms. mccarthy, is it your testimony under oath today that you believe susan headman and region five did everything they could have? >> they did. they sought information and consiste consistently, from april on, when they found there was no corrosion control -- >> we have conflicting info on that but this is your testimony under oath? >> yes. >> you were operatesing susan headman and other epa officials. >> i do. >> i have two letters here, one written from -- in fact written to you in september and it was asking you to please get involved. are you aware of that letter? >> yes, sir. >> you did not respond to that letter. did you authorize her to do so? >> yes. i did. >> her response fluffed off the entire thing and, by the way, mr. chairman, i'd like woet of these letters to be submitted for the record. >> without objection, so ordered. >> and all of this is taking place in september. did you, at the same time, praise deltoro? >> i did not know miguel at that point in time. >> so you were not aware of the report or -- in september? >> i was aware of the report. i did not know del toral in particula

ms. mccarthy has tried to paint in this i'm not a monster. i'm not a monster. >> narrator: we waited to see if a judge would buy reginald's story, or the prosecutor's. and here it was. >> you are a cold, calculating, conniving, coward of a conman who must be punished. >> narrator: and indeed he was, life without parole. >> take him away. >> narrator: so that was justice, the most nailah's family could hope for. terribly important. and strangely, empty. >> it's still not done. she's still not back. we still can't talk with her. >> narrator: no, they try to remember nailah, not as a murder victim, but as the beautiful young woman she was, the vibrant center of her family. but grief, real and painful, comes to visit every day. well she's your spirit and she's your angel and she's in a better place and all this other stuff, i'm like yeah, but i want her here, i don't want my 28-year-old sister to be my angel, i want her to be right here in the thick of it with me. >> reporter: that's all for this edition of "dateline." we'll see you tomorrow for

ms. mccarthy. you're now recognized. >> good morning, mr. chairman, ranking member cummings, distinguished members of the committee. i thank you for the opportunity to testify about epa's response to the drinking water crisis in flint, michigan. i want to start by saying that what happened in flint should never have happened, and can never be allowed to happen again. the crisis that we are seeing is a result of a state-appointed emergency manager deciding that that city would stop purchasing treated water that it had been successfully relying on for 50 years, and instead switch to an untreated source for the simple reason that they wanted to save money. the state of michigan approved that decision without requiring corrosion control treatment, without corrosion control lead leached from the pipes and fittings and fixtures in homes and businesses, and industries, and it leached into the drinking water. these decisions are what resulted in flint residents being exposed to dangerously high levels of lead. now under the safe water, the safe drin

ms. mccarthy. admin mccarthy: good morning mr. chairman, distinguished members of the committee. i want to thank you for the opportunity to testify about epa's response to the drinking water crisis in flint, michigan. i want to start by saying that what happened in flint should never have happened and can never be allowed to happen again. the crisis that we are seeing is a result of a state appointed emergency manager deciding that the city would stop purchasing treated water that it had been successfully relying on for 50 years and instead switched to an untreated source for the simple reason that they wanted to save money. the state of michigan approved that decision without requiring corrosion control treatment. without corrosion control, lead leeched from the pipes and fittings and fixtures in homes and businesses, and it leached into the drinking water. these decisions are what resulted in flint residents being exposed to dangerously high levels of lead. now under the safe drinking water act, congress gives states the primary responsibility to enforce drinking water rules fo

ms. mccarthy, is it your testimony under oath today that you believe susan headman and region five did everythingnd consiste consistently, from april on, when they found there was no corrosion control -- >> we have conflicting info on that but this is your testimony under oath? >> yes. >> you were operatesing susan headman an

ms. mccarthy, you are now recognized. >> good morning, mr.irman, ranking member cummings, distinguished members of the committee. i want to thank you for the opportunity to testify about epa's response to the drinking water crisis in flint, michigan. i want to start by saying that what happened in flint should never have happened and can never be allowed to happen again. >>> so we will listen in, we expect some pretty heated questioning here, especially after what we heard from the governor laying the blame on federal and state agencies. so we will keep our ear to that and we will be watching it for you and with you throughout the morning, but he we want to get back now to the pig political news of the day and this fight over donald trump. let me bring in david corn and "new york times" political correspondent nick come if he is sorry. it's not really clear in anti-trump donors are going to keep putting money up, money that frankly so far if you look at it florida, for example, has been a horribly losing effort. and then we see these headline

ms. mccarthy's closing op-ed statement. i agree. t's tragic it took a disaster of this sort to get this issue the deattention it deserves. let's do something about it. ms. mccarty, you can start by acknowledged the failures of the last decade to enforce the provisions of the epa lead and copper rule. this is a critical and necessary first step to make epa once again worthy and deserving of the public trust and its noble mission. thank you. >>> investigation into the flint, michigan, water contamination issue continues thursday when the house oversight committee hearing from gina mccarthy and michigan governor snyder. our live coverage starts at 9:00 a.m. eastern. several senators took rides in self-driving cars before this afternoon's hearing on this technology. we'll take you live to the hearing in a moment. >> all right. >> all right. >> terrific. >> all right. all right. >> giddyup. here we go, guys. >> good morning, everybody. >> good morning. >> hey. >> hi, senator. i'm with the financial times. that looked like a human being dr

commissioner konstin commissioner lee commissioner mccarthy commissioner walker that motion carries unanimously thank you. >> i hate to inject but will someone help msharris right now. >> will you talk with her. >> yes. >> i think we're asking you to explain the process to. >> what happens today. >> to ms. harris and what needs to happen. >> it means to her. >> okay. i can take her out and explain i'll give her my card. >> that's nice. >> item f one to f-2 shall be heard together f one request for a rehearing for norway we go we've originally heard in the 2016 at the january 20th, 2016, the aa b uphold the island to require the appellant to remove the subject order of abatement and action by appellant for a rehearing. >> okay who we have from staff. >> i believe the appellant comes and states their information then if it is compelling enough to at the rehearing up to the board we go into the second portion of the rehearing. >> okay. thank you. >> good morning. >> my wife owns one of the unit i'm her attorney head of the hoa and the issue i think before the commission here the fact it the commission didn't seem to understand what an easement is an ea