ms. mcguire? >> chairman whitehouse, thank you for the opportunity to testify today. i'm especially pleased to be here with you again to focus attention on bot nets and cyber crime and how industry and government are working together to address the serious issues. as the largest security software company in the world, symantec protects information business botnets are the foundation of the ecosystem and as was discussed earlier, the uses for malicious botnets are only limited by the imagination of the criminal bot masters. these can range as you mentioned from distributed denial of service attacks to bitcoin mining to distribution of malware and spam. bot masters also rent out their botnets as well as use them for stealing passwords, credit card data, intellectual property or other confidential information then sold to other criminals. until now, virtually all botnets have been networks of infected laptops and desktop computers. however, in the past few years, we have seen botnets made up of mobile devices and we fully expect that the coming internet of things will br

ms. mcguire? >> chairman whitehouse, thank you for the opportunity to testify today. i'm especially pleased to be here with you again to focus attention on bot nets and cyber crime and how industry and government are working together to address the serious issues. as the largest security software company in the world, symantec protects information business botnets are the foundation of the ecosystem and as was discussed earlier, the uses for malicious botnets are only limited by the imagination of the criminal bot masters. these can range as you mentioned from distributed denial of service attacks to bitcoin mining to distribution of malware and spam. bot masters also rent out their botnets as well as use them for stealing passwords, credit card data, intellectual property or other confidential information then sold to other criminals. until now, virtually all botnets have been networks of infected laptops and desktop computers. however, in the past few years, we have seen botnets made up of mobile devices and we fully expect that the coming internet of things will br

ms. ma geyer, any thoughts on that? >> just this -- mcguire. we have seen reports that gameover zeus, modifications that particular malware a new criminal gang or perhaps the original perpetrator who fled to eastern europe, to launch new criminal activity. this is a kind of thing where if we had a faster, speedier process that we could potentially address these kinds of issues at the speed of the internet as opposed to what i have been told by law enforsment partners can take anywhere from six months to never. and so, those are the kinds of enhancements, modernizations to these international treaties that we really need in order to go after them. >> again you're comfortable relying on the law enforcement process for that and at this point don't have any interest in pursuing civil liability on the part of your private sector companies against foreign individuals to, as a deterrent to recover for the damages that they have caused you? >> most of the activity is on the sharing of information and notification to our international both law enforceme

ms. mcguire, that game over seuss, modifications to that particular malware already being used by a new criminal gang or perhaps the original perpetrator who fled to eastern europe to launch new criminal activity. this is the kind of thing where if we had a faster, speedier inlet process we could potential address these kids of issues, as oppose to do what i have been told by law enforcement partners can take anywhere from six months to never. so those are the enhancements that we need in order to go -- >> again you're comfortable relying on the law enforcement process and at this point don't have any interest in pursuing civil liability against private companies against foreign individuals as a deterrent or to recover for the damages that they have caused you? >> most of our activity is on the shares of information and notification to our international both law enforcement and cert partners. so they can take the action in their jurisdictions. >>> what have each of you seen in terms of the coordination that has been your experience between the private sector and between law enforcement? it seems