ms. napolitano: no, i think they have been engaging.ct, just yesterday, the secretary of state, the attorney general, and that secretary of homeland security, were all in mexico city to have a series of high-level meetings, including with president obrador. representative cuellar's is exactly right. if you can start -- stop the migration before it reaches our border, that is a much better policy outcome than waiting until people arrive here. sumi: when you see record numbers of people fleeing, poverty, violence, suppression, are these solutions going to be enough? ms. napolitano: it is hard to say. it takes so much. people don't pick up and leave their homes just for the heck of it. they are usually in desperate straits, poverty, joblessness, high crime, violence, lack of civil institutions in their countries of origin. all of those go into that a very difficult decision to leave. and of course, one of the prime motivators is they want to help provide a better life for their children. now we see more families with children, trying to es