ms. palmer. to say the sky is the limit and mr. plaintiff's attorney, you tack on every economic cost that you can dream up and we'll vote in favor of it. but what we are opposed to, mr. chairman, is this opportunity for people to come into court and clog up the court system and crowd out ms. palmer and maybe many of these cases from california with frivolous lawsuits, where there's no justification for the claim, where people are just hoping with a lottery mentality that some sympathetic jury would just simply say, oh, gosh, you know, we know there's no damage here but after all, the doctor has $10 million worth of insurance, it's not coming out of his pocket. so, you know, let's award the plaintiff $6 million or $8 million worth of noneconomic, pain and suffering if you want to call it that, damages. that's the thing that's got to stop. that's what's causing the price of health care to rise astronomically. that's why doctors are ordered -- have ordered all these unnecessary tests, prague practicing defensive medicine -- practicin