ms. pavetti: i do not know that i can weight them. i think there is an issue with changing life trajectory. we focused on individual behavior much more than we focused on changing the structural issues at least people down the path that they take, so when we make the distinction between personal choices and structural choices, i do not think that when somebody makes a choice -- we think of making a choice to not -- that high school, that is a fair choice when they have not been given opportunity, so i think we need to think about the structural issues and what we need to do to fix them, and until we can help people move substantially forward, then i think we have to be able to thatde a minimum level allows people to buy food, housing, and to meet their basic needs. mr. strain: i think it is helpful to postulate some normative statements. can you hear me? this is on? mr. tanner: yes. strain: ultimately, we are a democracy and can decide on these issues and should be debating them. i think we should have as a basic standard that no one

ms. pavetti: i do not know that i can weight them. i think there is an issue with changing life trajectory. we focused on individual behavior much more than we focused on changing the structural issues thta lead people down the path that they take, so when we make the distinction between personal choices and structural choices, i do not think that when somebody makes a choice -- we think of making a choice to not complete high school -- that that is a fair choice when they have not been given opportunity, so i think we need to think think that we have to think .bout the structural issues until we can help people move substantially forward, then we have to be able to provide a minimum level that allows people to provide food, housing and to meet their basic needs. >> i think it's a hard question. postulate helps to normative statements and see if people agree -- can you not hear me? is this on? ultimately, we are a democracy. on these issues and should be debating them. have as a basic standard that no one who lives -- who works full t