ms. pullman to draft the policy to clarify the issue. but mime interpretation was of the current q ta members that should that person or any commissioner have a conversation with the person and that person not wanting to step down until the commissioner who holds the seat leaves the board >> if i may i had that understanding as well. i said that it would be a conversation between the commissioner and the person sitting in the seat >> we said absolutely and it's perfectly appropriate to have that conversation. >> so in this case you couldn't remove the person by have a conversation with the person urging them to resign. >> asking them very politely. >> but you could not formally ask them to leave. >> i wasn't insnaut anything but again to let ms. random i don't know who i would get in this straw at the seat number of 7 i might get 7 or one but either way i would be looking for a reputation of concern values if he had had drawn the straw if i choose to have the conversation with the person in the seat but i'd have an opportunity to do so.