ms. ruggles?the seniors of a deal with and that i talk to at the vermont training is to see its were terrified plain and simple to expect to live on the dollars and cents that was in their earnings statement which unfortunately we no longer get. but their standard of living is the has been working adults and all of the minds of these meetings with, they were working adults. and they were not waiting for a handout. they knew they couldn't survive. >> dr. hartmann? >> in the survey that we asked retirees the challenges and they would face, one would be not having enough savings, going to a nursing home not being able to pay for health care but the single thing they were the most afraid of is the possibility that social security benefits would be cut. it's in our full report i can send you. as you can see from the poverty data on how many people rely on it for such a large part of their income is simply their anchor and cutting that anchor i think would be devastating. >> dr. nathan? >> i concur with

ms. ruggles, good morning. >> good morning. >> you were able to speak to dr.on the phone, i understand, just recently. can you describe his emotions as he is facing these charges during this trial? >> yes, ma'am. he was very upbeat, positive, and very happy that this trial had begun. >> why would you say that's the case? why would he be happy that the trial has begun? why would you say he would be upbeat, given he's been charged with recklessness and negligence? >> you know, to be honest with you, i don't know, but he's a very positive person. he's a very faithful person, and he's -- all i can say is that he's glad to be going forward, so he can move forward with his life, he can move on and everyone else can move on. >> you have worked for him, have known him for some 16 years. you just said in the piece we just saw that you don't believe that he could be guilty of these charges, but what is it that you know about him that makes you disbelieve that he could be, have been reckless or negligent when it comes to michael jackson? >> i've never seen dr. murray neg

ms. ruggles, thanks very much for being with us. >> thank you. thank you for inviting me to testify. it's an important issue to be too. my name is gail ruggles and by 61-years-old. i am currently the administrative assistant for the media technology which is a growing research and development firm in the northeast vermont. for the first time in many years i beginning to feel economically self-sufficient. three years ago, not so pretty. my life was definitely a different story. i never planned to be broke. i never planned to be out of work. i've been in place since i was 16-years-old and lower level jobs. when i turned 50 on was divorced, raising assistance a seventh grader on my own and i decided i would like to be a better role model for them and to do something better with my own life to rely met with a financial a representative of the state college and went back to school. it took me awhile ago but i graduated with a bachelor's degree in liberal studies. i was 56-years-old and i was ready to get back into the working world full time. but something weird happened in those five year

ms. ruggles, thanks very much for being with us. >> thank you. thank you for inviting me to testify. it's an important issue to be too. my name is gail ruggles and by 61-years-old. i am currently the administrative assistant for the media technology which is a growing research and development firm in the northeast vermont. for the first time in many years i beginning to feel economically self-sufficient. three years ago, not so pretty. my life was definitely a different story. i never planned to be broke. i never planned to be out of work. i've been in place since i was 16-years-old and lower level jobs. when i turned 50 on was divorced, raising assistance a seventh grader on my own and i decided i would like to be a better role model for them and to do something better with my own life to rely met with a financial a representative of the state college and went back to school. it took me awhile ago but i graduated with a bachelor's degree in liberal studies. i was 56-years-old and i was ready to get back into the working world full time. but something weird happened in those five year