ms. rumburg. a lot to think about their. questions, comments. hillman.an -- dr. >> thank you, madam chair. you mentioned the good military care. can you talk about the impact 'sat that has on a victim perception of the trial and also on the outcome of the trial? >> the victim wants to be believed. they don't want their character brought before the courts. as we all know, there was a case recently where an officer's good conduct actually was overturned a conviction. that is what is is about, , that thethe victim perpetrator actually did commit a crime, and that it will be believed, and let justice prevail. so i think that is where that is coming from, that we should not have the ability to overturn a case just because that perpetrator is a good citizen. most of the perpetrators of sexual assault appear to everybody as fine, outstanding men or women. they don't walk around with a sign on their head. >> thank you. one other question, if i might, related to the services you just mentioned, the victims ought to be able to access regardless of whether