ms. sawinski and mr. baldwin i believe in all of the mf global senior managers had stated it effective immediately any equity withdrawals from mf global inc. must be improved in writing by ecma's audit department. basically seamy is telling mf global not some of its own capital out of mf global without this approval. who just disseminate that information to when you receive that letter? >> i don't recall at the time. it obviously went directly to our finance group and i cannot remember back on that thursday. i recall having a conversation where people were aware of. >> so, did you all seek approval when you made the 175 million-dollar transfer to the mf global u.k. before you move that money? did you notify cme that you are making the transfer? >> i was not aware of that transfer before it was made so i would not know that. >> so you don't know who you disseminated the information to sell navy nobody got the mo? >> again, the memo went directly to the finance people and so the key people operating the tra