ms. sebelius and the president. so we don't know who is telling the truth and who's not. why wouldn't they just say, all right, we checked the outer oval logs. she's been there 60 times. your theory is she hasn't been there enough and it speakses to a narrative of president obama being disengaged or kathleen sebelius not doing herb job? >> could be either. if the president of the united states met with kathleen sebelius dozens of times leading up to the roll out of obama care why did he say it would work like amazon a couple of days before? if he met with her she wasn't telling the truth. if he wasn't, she eh's disengaged. this shows that there are 277 meetings recorded in the public schedule by the department of energy, secretary of interior, the secretary of education. the attorney general. but she's not on there. so why are her meetings not on the public record. if there are mysterious meetings that took place, why don't they tell us. look in the outer oval logs and report it to the american people. if it's a good story for them, the story is over. >> yeah. now that it

ms. sebelius, secretary sebelius on december 10 could she verify that she indeed had met with the presidentshe could not do it. it's amazing. >> the white house does say that not every meeting the president had with the secretary was logged as an official event. their contention is that the president and secretary sebelius did meet a lot more than what the records show. let me bring thup point. the administration said yesterday 1.1 million people signed up for health care coverage to kick in the first of january, about a third of the 3.3 million that they had expected at this point. when you look at five million policies being canceled as a result of obamacare, where are we really when you crunch those numbers? >> john, i also asked secretary sebelius at that same hearing, madam secretary, is it true that you have the ability, i think it was section 1311 of the 2,700 page bill, don't you have the authority to grant hardship waivers? and she admitted that she did. and i said, well, these people, those five ph-pl that you're -- those five million that you're talking about, don't you think you

sebelius know when miss pryor knew and was warning against it. >> that's a critical question. we know on september 20th september 20th ms. pryor communicateed to her superiors she recommend they not sign the authority to operate agreement. she said don't launch this, it's not ready, ten days before the thing was to launch. so my miss sebelius didn't learn about that, this fact, and that ten-day time frame, anybody's guess. she needs to come back in and tell us, why didn't you know? and who are the people between miss pryor and miss sebelius who didn't communicate that. >> when your chief information officer -- or security officer says it's not safe, and you don't know, boy, i got say, congressman, someone is at fault here. my question is, do you have confidence in kathleen sebelius going furled that something like this isn't going to happen again? >> this thing is a mess. the previous clip, and everything -- what happened with the president waiving -- one of the many things he waived in the law. so it's a mess and should -- all of it should be delayed or repealed. no, i don't have confidence in sebelius and the american p

health and human services kathleen sebelius adding a new position to help deal with the health care mess, but the government is still not getting rid of anyone else over this msthat's what's so weird, new folks come in to crowd out all the other chief that is are policing, and here we go. >> more levels of bureaucracy because that's really going to help it out. the communication is going to get so much better. >> that's what i thought. i love how the default is, we have more people coming in. that's crazy. >> if you like the cast of characters who put it together, my goodness. risk officer, that's a weird title. >> seat technology officer -- >> up specter general. >> it sounds like they are going to infuse this with business principles and stuff when the reality is if they would run it like a business, she would be fired. >> and also, why now, and one, we don't know what the person will do, but also, like, what's changed that we didn't need that person tre like three or four months ago? other than she screwed it up. >> what does a chief risk officer of obamacare do? >> what does that person do? >> i think mr. gasparino nailed i a big company like goldman sach

ms. risen. for her to keep the policies that she has she's now paying higher rates. when secretary sebeliuswas here in april she claimed medicare rates were decreasing nationwide so i did a survey in my district and we found that more had their rates going up, not a huge amount as mr. baker testified at ththe biggest group or a bigger group was those who stayed about the same. a couple folks reported the rate had gone down. i'm just wondering is this the case from your prospective nationwide at the medicare advantage rates are going down as the secretary testified earlier this year? >> we can get back but i don't think those are the facts. emphasizing there are differences across the regions and states in the united states. >> let me go to that point because one of the reasons was that i represent a very world district where it takes hours to get to the nearest hospital depending on where you are located as a result of obamacare and the cuts to medicare we lost a hospital a few months back that was to have the top three reasons why they were closing the hospital. is that more likely to be a

ms. lee: let me thank our leader nancy pelosi for her support to fight hiv-aids. this morning, i had the honor of joining president obama, secretary kerry, secretary sebelius and many advocates at the white house to mark world aids day. it was a time to remember loved ones we have lost and the reminder of the progress we have made and also a reminder that we cannot stop now. in the united states congress, few issues have transcended bipartisan gridlock like the fight against aids and i want to salute ed royce and representativening else to keep this a bipartisan issue. and in the last two weeks alone we passed the pepfar stewardship and oversight act which president obama signed into law this afternoon. so many played a role and i'm proud of the leadership from the congressional black caucus in supporting pepfar and the minority aids initiative and national strategy on hiv-aids. ow is the time to recommit our energy to an aids-free generation. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentlewoman from seek recognition? ms. kaptur: permission to address the house for one minute. as co-chair of the ukranian caucus, i rise today to condemn violence current cu