ms. shapiro, what was the response, do you recall? >> i actually don't recall what came after she said that. it wasn't a surprise to anybody that she thought that r.o.e. -- roe v. wade was decided. one of the things did hes appointing to me about judge kavanaugh's testimony is that he backed away from things that he previously wrote about publicly. for example, he said previously that he thought justice -- in roe v. wade was a great opinion. at his hearing he backed away from endorsing that opinion. again, even if he thought it was wrongly decided doesn't commit him to overruling it but he, in my opinion, should have been wlky to say, yes, that is what i think. i think it was wrongly decided and i think justice rehnquist was krebt. >> again, carolyn shapiro. the pennsylvania line. go ahead. >> have the -- had the allegations had been nonsexual, for instance, fraud. would the investigation have taken a different tone as opposed to what i hear is that because it was sexual it was pushed under the rug. but had there been another type of