i don't know if that's something ms. short would be open to. >> i have a quee for ms. short in addition to that question. those figures -- those numbers would be numbers you could crunch and have available for us next time. is there a reason the city has not maintained them to be the same height? >> well, generally, we allow trees to grow to their natural form and pruning, we don't try to reduce the height of trees unless there is something that would require that. these trees are growing at different rates and different heights and when we are pruning them not to maintain a certain height. >> the height of the trees suggested to be planted and commissioner fung said they could be kept artificially small. if the city were to continue to maintain the trees and those trees were planted, those trees would also be quite tall. >> eventually, they would grow to probably 25, maybe 30 feet over time. if the city had maintenance responsibility, we would not keep them artificially small. >> thank you. commissioner garcia: could you place restrictions on the degree to which they a

. >> ms. short, it was mentioned by one of the appellants there was a trip-and-fall case that perhaps your department was not aware of. would that have any relevance with respect to the decision on removing trees? >> no. i think the decision to remove the tree is based on the condition of the tree. that didn't involve a tree but an empty tree basin. >> thank you. >> mr. bartlett, you have three minutes of rebuttal. >> i'm new to this process. i turn it over to brian and let him speak about the trees that are there and in our plan. i have a letter from supervisor dated september 7 that i won't read. but in the last sentence, he says i'm in favor of the appellants and support their application. i turn it over to brian. i met him on a project with berkeley and i was impressed with his knowledge of trees and we brought him on board to have expert opinion and assistance to try and get this done for our city. >> my name is brian and i'm a certified arborist and i have some design background from u.c. berk

commissioner garcia: ms. shortcommended that future mean it's been with certain standards to prevent. there is no requirement if these trees should be pruned, if we uphold? >> it is for certain clearances, so the street light would require prunq of the street lights. if people want to have a very dense canopy on the tree, and it from the city, the city does not necessarily require pruning of the tree. pedestrian access over the sidewalk and the curved line, we recommend -- there is a required clearance of 6 feet from a street light. commissioner garcia: the seven trees, three will be removed. what about the four trees left? how many are the new zealand? >> there are two of each. commissioner garcia: two, and you think they are all -- i do not want to speak, but new zealand christmas trees are not entirely popular? >> i would say all four trees have been poorly pruned in the past, which does cause some structure will floss for the trees. however, they are both very resilient species, and there is a lot of new growth

ms. short? >> good evening. carla short. we approved three.ght's concern is about the denial of the four remaining trees. two of these are one species, and two are another kind. that is a red flower when regionflo -- that is a red flowering gum. this will still allow the repair of the sidewalk, four feet for the pubs of trouble. so the decision was recommended that the property owner could contact us when they begin to undertake these sidewalk repairs, and the bad points in time, based on the route structure, we did not believe that we would grant an emergency removal permits, so we have wa to the condition of the trees, and it is based on the condition of the trees and, of course, public safety. if we think it can be repaired, we will deny the removal of the trees and recommend moving forward with that. there is a little discretion if we did the feel of that time that they were more significant than we were led to believe from what we could see. as you know, our mandate from the urban forestry is written to protect and enhance the urban fores

ms. short, you have three minutes. >> thank you. i don't think i have too much more to add other than to make a note that enflowering trees are capable of doing damage. they aren't known to have aggressive roots as ficus or red flowing gum. it depends on the root stock. and any tree can damage the sidewalk. while it seems like we may be trying to preserve existing trees, there is no guarantee that a wholesale replacement tree would do damage. we see sidewalk disrupters that don't do any damage and we see trees that you wouldn't expect to cause sidewalk damage, but do. to say there will never be a cost to the city if these trees are removed and replaced is an uncertainty at best. commissioner garcia: let's go with what you just said first and i have another question. if right now, the city maintains these trees and any damage caused by these trees to the sidewalk, is it not true that if the neighbors get to put the new trees, they now have responsibility for the trees and therefore for the sidewalk? >> at this point in time, the city

ms. short, we'll start with you again. you have seven minutes. >> thank you, department of public works, bureau of urban foffers try. we received an application to remove nine trees from the 800 block of steiner with replacement of 14 trees. these actually are d.p.w. maintained trees. so the city has the maintainance responsibility for the trees. a group of neighbors got together and they were proposing to remove the trees and replace them at their cost. but the city would continue to bear the responsibility for the sidewalk repairs society wd these trees. i want to start by saying i think there has been an admirable neighborhood cooperation in this case. we have seen quite a few neighbors come together in support of this proposal. and -- but i would note we did have -- we had two people who objected to the proposal, not from the immediate group of neighbors, but from other blocks in the area. as we always do, we based our decision on the condition of the trees. and you know, our evaluation of the trees led us to grant the

. >> the money was paid and the release order and ms. shorteave iran if she wants to. >> sarah's fiance shane bauer and best friend josh patal are still in prison in iran. their detention extended two more months. the berkeley graduates were captured in july 2009 after crossing the board enbetween northern iraq and iran. iran accuses them of spying and illegally entering the country. the family insists they were hiking and crossed the border accidentally. we'll be following the story. but great news, sarah has been released from an iranian prison. >> jenelle, thank you very much. just about 6:32 now. back here in the bay area, san bruno fire victims are getting reassurance that their neighborhood is safe and some are being told they're able to go home. others have no homes left to go home to. for a dozen, the first chance they gotto see what was left of their houseless came after a bus tour. it's still too dangerous to allow them to go on their red-tagged properties. the families with homes still standing want to know everything possible is be

ms. roberts as well. so we move on to our meeting. but maybe we could have a short moment of silence. [moment of silence] president kim: thank you. item a, approval of board minutes. do we have a motion and a second? >> second. >> second. president kim: are there any corrections? seeing none, roll call, please. >> thank you. ms. chan? >> yes. >> ms. fan? >> yes. >> ms. fewer? >> why. ms. fauf as? >> yes. >> mr. yee? >> aye. >> ms. kim? >> seven ayes. president kim: the presentation to the board of education, the superintendent's report. >> that's a little tough to follow after that, but i have to tell you, though, and i think both those people who were true educators would be proud to know that we had a great opening day of the school year. this last week was a fabulous week for all our children and parents and i really want to congratulate the leadership, the faculties, the teacher, the staff the custodians, maintenance workers, landscaping people, everybody who came together and with one week left, usually they have a longer summer to try to put everything together so that when scho

applause] president kim: now that our school year has begun, we can maybe get a short report from our student delegates, ms. cheryl chan and elvina fan. >> ok, so yesterday was our first s.a.c. meeting and it was great to meet everyone which including our new coordinator who is in the audience tonight, jocelyn seal. [applause] >> and also, there is a mission forum which is at mission high school, and on september 23 from 5:00 to 7:00 p.m. where the board of education candidates get to answer questions from different students about the school district and what they would want to happen or their concerns. and also, last week there was a meeting with peter waterborn in charge of youth vote and it was decided on which ballot measures will be on the youth vote ballot because the fall youth vote ballot is a mock election of what will be on the november ballot and what we decided on was propdilm 19, 20, and 25 which will be on the youth ballot for the high school students to vote on in the fall. >> could you tell us how you picked? was it based on issues you felt were important to young people? >> yeah. these are

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ms. fiorina, your reply? >> i think the senator is right. we both need to run on our records. i'm proud to run on my record and hewlett packard. and long on talk and very short on achievement. and the reason it's short on achievement is because she's one of the most bitterly partisan members of the u.s. senate. 28 years in washington, d.c., she has four relatively insignificant bills with her name on them. the truth is the piece of legislation as the chairman and environment of public works, she could not shepherd that to a conclusion. that bill was taken away for her and given to john kerry because it was believed that he had a better chance of getting bipartisan support. i don't happen to support her cap in trade bill. it's been called the most expensive piece of regulation and legislation in u.s. history. but nevertheless, it's telling that her bitter partnership prevented her from getting the top priority accomplish in the senate. >> thank you. carla. you have the next question? >> ms. fiorina, you're pro life. you have voted to overturn row v. wade given the opportunity. you believe that life begins at conception. does that mean you would seek to deny f

kucinicthe vote fell short of t0 votes needed to advance legislation. here is a portion of the senate debate. ms. collins: thank you, mr. president. mr. president, i come to the floor to discuss the defense authorization bill and the don't ask, don't tell provisions included in it. let me start by making my position crystal clear. i agree with the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff,dmiral mike mullen, that the don't ask, don't tell law should be repealed. it should be repealed, contingent upon the certain fictions ocertifications of the, the secretary of defense and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff tt its repeal would not have an adverse impact on military readiness recruitment and retention. and those are, mr. president, exactly the provisions that are included in the defense authorization bill. my view is that our armed forces should welcome the service of any qualified individual who is willing and capable of serving our country. the bottom line for me is this. if an indidual is willing to put on the uniform of our country, to be deployed in war zones like iraq and afghanistan, to

so we have heard that what we would like to see from ms. short, the benefits from the trees, given their trunks, or whatever your language is for that, and we have the will we would like to see from mr. bartlett is about the trees, and then i would like to see a drawing of what the streetscape is. was there anything else? ok. does someone want to move for a continuance? commissioner hwang: we need to set the page limits. vice president goh: 3 pages. vice president goh: why 3? -- commissioner garcia: why 3? vice president goh: i made it up. you can change it. commissioner hwang: unlimited exhibits. i am sorry. i interrupted you, commissioner garcia. vice president goh: -- commissioner garcia: i move that we continue this for all of the reasons previously stated. commissioner hwang: and i would add that it be delivered to the board the thursday prior to the hearing. secretary pacheco: the motion is from commissioner garcia to continue this until october 20, to allow time for the dpw and the appellant to produce additional information. additional br