ms. simpson: ms. simpson: mr. perot, i'm sorry. i'm going to -- mr. perot: sorry. ms. simpson: and i don't want to sound-bite you but we are trying to be fair -- mr. perot: okay. ms. simpson: -- to everyone. mr. perot: absolutely. i apologize. ms. simpson: all right. governor clinton. gov. clinton: i think i remember the question. [laughter] let me say first of all, i want to answer your specific question but first of all, we all agree that there should be a growing economy. what you have to decide is who's got the best economic plan. and we all have ideas out there, and mr. bush has a record. so i don't want you to read my lips and i sure don't want you to read his. i do hope you will read our plans. now, specifically, one, on medicare, it is not true that everyone knows how to fix it. there are different ideas -- the bush plan, the perot plan, the clinton -- we have different ideas. i am convinced, having studied health care for a year hard and talking to hundreds and hundreds of people all across america, that you cannot control the cost of medicare until you control