first off let's start with ms. smith. ms. smith, did you work for an agency that, i want to make sure, did you work for an agency that took money under the home program through hud and? and? ms. smith? we must have lost her. >> can you hear me? >> ms. smith, did you work for an organization that the organization actually received funds under the hud home program? >> the organization that i worked for set up a sub organization that received those funds. yes, sir. >> so you were involved in the home program through your organization as an executive director? >> yes, sir. >> thank you. mr. truax, did you work for in our decision that received hud dollars through the home program? >> yes. >> okay. mr. truax, you had, you said you had a number of projects. how many projects in total came to your organization? >> throughout my tenure? >> yes, estimate. >> under 50. >> okay, under 50. under those programs you actually went out and took bids. if hud would've asked you to submit three bids for each program, would that have caused you n

ms. smith, did you work for hud? >> no, sir, i did not. >> you work for a nonprofit organization, is that correct? >> yes, sir, that is correct. >> do you any other sons other than hallowed -- home funds that flowed through that organization? >> yes, we did. >> did you steal those, to? >> i'm sorry? >> did you steal that money, to? >> there were funds, yes, sir. u> so you stole that. >> at one point in your testimony, you stated, i think it was testimony or maybe the news reports, that you were pressured by politicians, and i do not want you to name those here today, because that's not the purpose of this. did you pass the names along to the justice department? >> yes, sir. >> and have there been any prosecution as a result of that? >> some. >> were they convicted? >> there were a couple that were, sir. >> that's good to hear. glad to hear that. as well as i understand it, i think there's news reports, your activity was from give or take the year 2000, or give or take the year 2005; is that cor

i will call the next witness, ms. smith. >> i joan smith affirm that the evidence i shall give shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. >> mrs. smith, i will say to you as i said before, thank you very much indeed for agreeing to give eviden evidence. this was a voluntary activity and i'm conscious that it exposes personal matters that affect you in the public domain. >> good morning, mrs. smith. would you state your full name? >> john smith. >> you provided a witness statement to the inquiry. we can see that on the big screen. before i ask you any killed questions about your is the -- detailed statement can i ask you to confirm that statement was to the best of your knowledge and belief. >> yes. i will start with who you are. we have the witness statement in front of them. for those that don't have the statement could you tell us a little bit about who you are and your career history. >> i have been a journalist more than 30 years. i started my year in national newspapers on the sunday times. i worked

. >> ms. smith. >> i truly declare and affirm the evidence i shall give shelby to choose, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. >> thank you. >> ms. smith i will say to you as i have said before, thank you very much indeed for agreeing to give evidence. this was a voluntary activity and i'm conscious that it exposes personal matters that affect you in the public domain. this is one of the things you are concerned about so i'm very grateful to you. >> thank you. >> good morning. could i ask you to state your full name? >> joan alison smith. >> you provided a witness statement to this inquiry and we can see that i think in in the big-screen. before i ask you any detailed questions about your statement can i ask you to confirm that the contents of your witness statement archer to the best of your knowledge and belief? >> yes. >> on that basis can we start with who you are. those who have a witness statement in front of them are meant to be looking at paragraphs 47 but for those who don't have the

i will call the next witness, ms. smith. >> i joan smith affirm that the evidence i shall give shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. >> mrs. smith, i will say to you as i said before thank you very much indeed for agreeing to give evidence evidence. this was a voluntary activity and i'm conscious that it exposes personal matters that affect you in the public domain. >> good morning mrs. smith. would you state your full name? >> john smith. >> you provided a witness statement to the inquiry. we can see that on the big screen. before i ask you any killed questions about your is the -- detailed statement can i ask you to confirm that statement was to the best of your knowledge and belief. >> yes. i will start with who you are. we have the witness statement in front of them. for those that don't have the statement could you tell us a little bit about who you are and your career history. >> i have been a journalist more than 30 years. i started my year in national newspapers on the sunday times. i worked

i will call the next witness, ms. smith >> i, joan smith, declare and affirm that the evidence i shall give should be the truth, the whole truth and the whole truth. >> ms. smith, i will say to you as i said before, thank you very much indeed for a green to give evidence. this was a voluntary activity, and i'm conscious that it exposes personal matters that affect you in the public domain which is one of the things you're concerned about, some very grateful. >> thank you. >> good morning, miss smith. can ask you to state your false name? >> joan alison smith spent you provide a witness statement to this inquiry. we can see that. i think on the big screen. but before asking detailed questions about your statement, can ask you to confirm that the content of your witness statements are true to the best of your knowledge in these? >> yes spent on that basis can we start with the you are. we have the witness table in front of us. for those who don't have the statement, tell us a little bit about who you are. >> i've been a journ

ms. johnson phoned the police to report that her roommate, mr. smith, was suffering from psychological problems, had been drinking, and was taking medication. in her request for the police, this johnson indicated mr. smith was not known to carry weapons and that she wanted vice from officers on how to deal with mr. smith. she needed assistance based on his behavior. officers brodericks suguitan and samuel fung arrived at the scene within four minutes. officer suguitan and fung were met by the woman outside of her porch. officer suguitan observed at the front door of the residence was open and stepped inside. officer suguitan noticed mr. smith and mr. rios, an additional roommate, were standing face to face having a conversation. both men were approximately 7 feet in front of officer suguitan. officer suguitan looked at both men and stated, how are you doing, we are here to help. mr. smith and mr. rios both faced officer suguitan. immediately, officer suguitan realized mr. smith's and were behind his back and concealed from officer. officer suguitan dir

ms. maloney. please come forward and please pull ahair up. mr. smith and mr. scott, mr. johnson, do you wish to testify? please take the chair up and we'll -- we're asking you to join this nel. so please pull your chair forward to the table. you can pull your chair right up to the table. does that cover everyone? let's begin with mr. nadler, then ms. jackson-lee, then mr. hastings, mr. johnson and ms. maloney. . nadler, let me say i s a beautifully prepared statement. >> with considerable changes. >> i know since you made the changes, i'd like to say without objection that entire statement is going to appear in the statement and we'd welcome your summary. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i'll oe i'll omit the first part of the statement which basically describes why the bill is a terrible bill. but let me just address the p t part -- the amendment. with respect to guns, the concerns of more urbanized states like new york are different from like more rural states like alaska. within reason there are strong reasons to allow each state to tailor its own gun laws. that has been o

guest: i went up to smith college or all the "ms." archives are. it is a wonderful treasure trove.re are boxes and boxes -- mother was one of the founding editors. she kept amazing records. gloria steinem has wreckers. nothing was on the computer then. no e-mail -- gloria steinem has records. the confidential memo was there. there was a book called "inside ms." i don't know if it has been widely published before. the confidential memo had all these story ideas that were telling from as early meetings. host: always the debate like -- what was the debate like? guest: to have the reach and the impact, it had to be a beautiful magazine. this is a glossy magazine. this was a slick magazine. it had to look good. there had to be photographs and good quality paper. they did not want only feminist or only people on the track of consciousness raising were getting newsletters. they wanted to reach people in kansas, california, and in the south. there was lot of debate about that. to was a sense that the package the matter. you can say it was almost anti feminists. but the packaging mattered.

ms. foxx: thank you, mr. speaker. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from texas rise? mr. smith: i yield myself 15 second. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. smith: mr. speaker, i just want to say to the gentleman from michigan who spoke earlier that i agree with him. today is not 1995. in fact, the deficit is worse. since 1995 the deficit has tripled. it's gone from $5 trillion to $15 trillion which is all the more reason to support this balanced budget amendment to the constitution. mr. speaker, i yield five minutes to my friend and colleague from virginia, mr. goodlatte, who is the sponsor of this resolution. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from virginia is recognized for five minutes. mr. goodlatte: i thank the chairman for yielding. mr. speaker, this chart tells the story. we have had a number of opportunities over the years to pass balanced budget amendments to the united states of the constitution. it's not my idea. it's not a new idea. but as we've gone through time we've managed debt. now, as the chairman just noted, in the last 15 years th

i thank chairman smith and i want to recognize the good work and working relationship i have with ms. lofgren of california and luis gutierrez, i think it does demonstrate that we can work in a bipartisan way to pass legislation that will have an important effect on businesses, jobs, the economy and a lot of families. i urge support of 3012 and yield back the balance of my time. spero: the question is, will the house suspend the rules and pass 46r789 r. 3012 as amended? those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. in the opinion of the chair -- >> i object to the vote on the grounds that a quorum is not present and raise a point of order that a quorum is not present. spero: pursuant to clause 8 of rule 20, further proceedings on this question will be postponed. for what purpose does the gentleman seek recognition? mr. chaffetz: i move hat house suspend the rules. spero: -- the speaker pro tempore: the clerk will report the bill. the clerk: qualifying members of the reserve components of the armed forces and members of the national guard who, after seventh, 2001, are called to active dut

ms. maloney. please come forward and please pull a chair up. mr. smith and mr. scott, mr. johnson, do you wish to testify? please take the chair up and we'll -- we're asking you to join this panel. so please pull your chair forward to the table. you can pull your chair right up to the table. does that cover everyone? let's begin with mr. nadler, then ms. jackson-lee, then mr. hastings, mr. johnson and ms. maloney. mr. nadler, let me say i see a beautifully prepared statement. >> with considerable changes. >> i know since you made the changes, i'd like to say without objection that entire statement is going to appear in the statement and we'd welcome your summary. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i'll oe i'll omit the first part of the statement which basically describes why the bill is a terrible bill. but let me just address the p t part -- the amendment. with respect to guns, the concerns of more urbanized states like new york are different from like more rural states like alaska. within reason there are strong reasons to allow each state to tailor its own gun laws. that has

ms. maloney. please come forward and please pull a chair up. mr. smith and mr. scott, mr. johnson, do you wish to testify? please take the chair up and we'll -- we're asking you to join this panel. so please pull your chair forward to the table. you can pull your chair right up to the table. does that cover everyone? let's begin with mr. nadler, then ms. jackson-lee, then mr. hastings, mr. johnson and ms. maloney. mr. nadler, let me say i see a beautifully prepared statement. >> with considerable changes. >> i know since you made the changes, i'd like to say without objection that entire statement is going to appear in the statement and we'd welcome your summary. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i'll oe i'll omit the first part of the statement which basically describes why the bill is a terrible bill. but let me just address the p t part -- the amendment. with respect to guns, the concerns of more urbanized states like new york are different from like more rural states like alaska. within reason there are strong reasons to allow each state to tailor its own gun laws. that has

ms. foxx: thank you, mr. speaker. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from texas rise? mr. smith: i yield myself 15 second. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. smith: mr. speaker, i just want to say to the gentleman from michigan who spoke earlier that i agree with him. today is not 1995. in fact, the deficit is worse. since 1995 the deficit has tripled. it's gone from $5 trillion to $15 trillion which is all the more reason to support this balanced budget amendment to the constitution. mr. speaker, i yield five minutes to my friend and colleague from virginia, mr. goodlatte, who is the sponsor of this resolution. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from virginia is recognized for five minutes. mr. goodlatte: i thank the chairman for yielding. mr. speaker, this chart tells the story. we have had a number of opportunities over the years to pass balanced budget amendments to the united states of the constitution. it's not my idea. it's not a new idea. but as we've gone through time we've managed debt. now, as the chairman just noted, in the last 15 years th

smith: i yield two minutes to the the gentlewoman from washington. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady is recognized for two minutes. ms. herrera beutler: chimp hill said americans can be counted on to do the right thing after they have exhausted all other possibilities. it applies to this institution. what have we tried? we have tried billion dollar bailouts for auto companies and wall street fat cats, not for main street. we have done bailouts for auto makers and thrown money at everything and have added so much to our national debt in the last four years. republicans did it, too. doesn't make it right. so, are we better than we were four years ago? no. in southwest washington state, we still have rampant unemployment and joblessness. i'm no economist and not the distinguished minority leader who i respect. i'm just an average american but understand a very simple truth, you cannot spend more than you have. that's all this amendment does. that's it. we aren't cutting social security. we aren't cutting medicare. we are actually protecting those programs by saying this federal government is going to live within the mone

ms. wasserman schultz: thank you, madam speaker. it's now my privilege to yield two minutes to a close friend of congresswoman giffords and someone who he has stood by, the gentleman from washington, mr. smith. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from washington is recognized for two minutes. mr. smith: thank you, madam speaker. i thank the leadership of this house, both democrat and republican, and all the co-sponsors for bringing this resolution before us and honoring gabe zimmerman by naming a room in the capitol visitors center after him. i can think of nobody who better personified the idea of public service than gabe zimmerman. a lot of people get involved in politics for a lot of different reasons, but i think the base reason that we all should want to be involved in it is to represent people. and when you read the stories about gabe and the service that he did, even before he worked for congresswoman giffords, you can see someone who truly understood what it meant to be a representative. gabe made so much of his life about caring for other people. and there can be no higher calling. in naming this room after him, we have a permanent reminder to everybody who comes through this ca

smith talks about failed presidential bids. our road to the white house coverage continues at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span2 with the recent debate among presidential candidates hosted by ms nbc and michigan. >> extremism in defense of liberty is no life. [cheers and applause] >> let me remind you also that moderation and the pursuit of justice is a virtue. >> he lost the 1964 presidential election to lyndon johnson but barry goldwater's ideas galvanized the conservative movement. the senator from arizona is featured this week on the contenders. from the goldwater institute in phoenix live tonight at 8:00 eastern. >> attorney general eric holder vowed tuesday the tactics used during operation fast and furious would never be used again by the justice department. the operation allowed guns to be smuggled across the u.s./mexico border in order to establish links between arms dealers and drug cartels. the attorney-general also said the justice department never knowingly provided congress with false information about fast and furious. a charge leveled by house and senate republicans. he testifies before the senate judiciary committee during this three hour hearing. [inaudible