ms. starr: we get our news where we can! ms. starr: someone is asking -- i think it's a really good question. the secretary himself has talked about this -- cyber. i mean, every time you turn around, somebody's hacking somebody else. and yet you are dealing with -- this is more of a personal issue -- obviously, you're dealing with competition from private industry. what can you really do to attract the best cyber talent without having them go off to industry right away? what are your thoughts on that? because it seems that's -- you know, that's the warrior of the future. sec. fanning: yes, cyber encompasses so many different challenges, workforce just being one of them. but i think everybody agrees that we can't build and retain a cyber force like we have done traditionally with other aspects of the force. and so there are many opportunities here, i think, to experiment and think differently about the defense workforce. but one of the things we always have -- and we do have trouble competing with industry if you just look at it o

ms. starr: all of these things to be crystal clear. of the thingsl are totally bogus, total ridiculous, but those arguments get recycled. the repeal of don't ask don't tell, well, it will destroy unit cohesion, problems with recruiting and retention. none of that has happened, none. women in ground combat, same argument, exactly the same. in aoncern that i have geter scale is that we do this diverse force, that we do have the opportunity for all americans to participate in the honor of defending this country, that we do not exclude anybody for reasons that have nothing to do with their competence, reasons that have nothing to do with her patriotism, reasons that have nothing to do with their ability to do the job. very, you so in this know, difficult 18 months that the country has had, do you benk that there needs to some military outreach in terms to the muslim american community, to tell them specifically that they are welcome and the u.s. military and that you think they bring value to it? is this something that needs to be done at