ms. tiller. i want to do this. the federal ban on food assistance -- and thank you very much for your testimony. the federal ban on food assistance, which is a critical piece of the safety net, this ban for those convicted of a drug felony for life, lifetime ban on food stamps and public assistance, want to get your comment on that. and to ms. reynolds, let me thank you again. i'm a social worker by profession. i understand case management. so important. but those clients that you serve, what happens if the safety net were cut in terms of case management, and what happens if there's a reduction of about 30% of federal assistance as proposed in the ryan republican budget? ok. ms. gaines-turner. thank you very much. >> thank you, ms. lee, for your comments and thank you for your support constantly and pointing out how difficult it is. i feel like, you know, a lot of people don't know how difficult it is. i don't know one person, maybe in this room, that can juggle the things that me and my husband have to juggle ever

ms. tiller, and ms. reynolds as a theme, ther to address the theme of these meetings that we have been having in hearings, that the three of you, regardless of your difference of opinions, and there is common factors as the doctor just pointed out, would come up with a better solution than we would come up with. up to this date. let's get this straight right now. it's clear the two parties want to do something about this problem. neither party is privy to virtueousness, but we have widely different ideas about what direction we should go in. i hear many times the culture of poverty. you better examine the pull ture of the congress -- culture of the congress, because the culture of poverty means that there is an essential part of poverty which will continue inevitably. on the other hand, i have heard, how do we become -- how do we help folks become self-sufficient? that's an interesting term. self-sufficient. how do you become self-sufficient? how do children 3, 4, 5 years old living in poverty become sel

ms. tiller and ms. reynolds in a room, together at the theme to address the theme of these meetings that we've been having in hearings that the three of you regardless of your difference of opinions -- and there is some common factors in as the doctor just pointed out -- would come up with a better solution than we come up with up to this date. let's get this straight right now. it's clear the two parties want to do something about this problem, neither party is privy to virtue on this. but we have widely different ideas about what direction we should go in. i hear many times the culture of poverty. you'd better examine the culture of the congress, because the culture of poverty means that there is an essential part of poverty which will continue inevitably. on the other hand, i've heard, how do we help folks become self-sufficient? that's an interesting term, self-sufficient. how to become self-sufficient? well, how do children three, four, five years old living in poverty become self-sufficient? how d

ms. tiller? >> america works and its network of companies, including america works of washington, d.c., have successfully managed retention programs throughout the united states since 1984. under the mission of changing people's lives by lifting them from dependence into the productive world of employment, america works and its network of companies have placed over 400,000 people into jobs nationwide. the rapid attach at some time work program allows individuals to be placed quickly into the workforce. america works believes that work should be the central focus, wraparound services including, but not limited to, mental health, shelter services, substance abuse services, child care, and educational endeavors are addressed simultaneously. over the years, america works has taken on tough social jobs, which cost taxpayers bill yors of dollars with a belief that if a job is provided, dependency on the government diminishes and disappears. to that end, we have rapidly attached ex-offenders to work, th

ms. tiller, the young woman, i think she was probably still on medicaid after she got her job at the fast food restaurant. so you, you know, i don't want you all to be sort of lulled into supporting gutting this while we pay $614 in corporate welfare. i do have a question for you miss reynolds about the mind seth of the individual. don't you think we have to change the mind seth of the community, too? an example of come up with, if you run into a client, for example, who found themselves in the county jail because they had a bar fight and when they come out, don't we have to get the business community to hire people who might have a public record, for example? >> we in fort worth have been very fortunate to work with the business community, we have developed a living wage tool kit at our organization. everybody at catholic charities fort worth makes a living wage and several of our local businesses have adopted that as our own choice -- >> thank you, i don't have ten minutes like the chairman did. so that's the point. not just changing the individual mind seth, the community has to brace