ms. tiller or ms. reynolds, are any of you two familiar with this? justice a lot of folks come into my office and say it's effective in helping people -- incentivizing employers to hire low-income people or folks that might -- that are an ex-felon and they get a credit for hiring and training them and keeping them on the job. seems to me like a good thing. and then there are others that says it's not so good. i want to get your impressions of the program. is it complementry to the work you do? is it a better incentive? >> we make sure that we inform all of our participants, all of the individuals about the work opportunity tax credit and i've heard both sides as well. with the ex-offenders that i work with consistently, there's some embarrassment because the way the application process is when you're filling out an application for an employer, what is your felon status, what is your misdemeanor status, things of that nature. potentially i think there could be a benefit down the road. i think we need to re-evaluate in essence how we're getting to the

ms. tiller. i want to do this. the federal ban on food assistance -- and thank you very much for your testimony. the federal ban on food assistance, which is a critical piece of the safety net, this ban for those convicted of a drug felony for life, lifetime ban on food stamps and public assistance, want to get your comment on that. and to ms. reynolds, let me thank you again. i'm a social worker by profession. i understand case management. so important. but those clients that you serve, what happens if the safety net were cut in terms of case management and what happens if there's a reduction of about 30% of federal assistance as proposed in the ryan republican budget? ok. ms. gaines-turner. >> thank you, ms. lee, for your comments and thank you for your support constantly and pointing out how difficult it is. i feel like, you know, a lot of people don't know how difficult it is. i don't know one person, maybe in this room, that can juggle the things that me and my husband have to juggle every single day with havi

ms. tiller or ms. reynolds, are any of you two familiar with this? justice a lot of folks come into my office and say it's effective in helping people -- incentivizing employers to hire low-income people or folks that might -- that are an ex-felon and they get a credit for hiring and training them and keeping them on the job. seems to me like a good thing. and then there are others that says it's not so good. i want to get your impressions of the program. is it complementry to the work you do? is it a better incentive? >> we make sure that we inform all of our participants, all of the individuals about the work opportunity tax credit and i've heard both sides as well. with the ex-offenders that i work with consistently, there's some embarrassment because the way the application process is when you're filling out an application for an employer, what is your felon status, what is your misdemeanor status, things of that nature. potentially i think there could be a benefit down the road. i think we need to re-evaluate in essence how we're getting to the