correa, ms. tulli, an interview with the ideas of how we might accommodate those small businesses that are not in a position to utilize the system. i could really see because of the lights, but it's not accessible to them in the same way it is the people who are online. further question about, and it's been referenced by ms. tulli, we have had situations where people who are authorized to work were dinged. and some of the statistics -- and we're making improvements, i mean, which is great, but it if you scale it up to the entire workforce, it's hundreds of thousands of people, potentially if you just extrapolate out the error rate, who would be american citizens, who would be told, you know, you are not legal. and i was just telling the chairman, when i chaired the committee i had a lawyer who worked for me, tracy hong, who was an immigration lawyer, and i was chair of the immigration subcommittee, and she was an american citizen. she went down to the house office employment center. she got deemed as n

ms. tulli. >> chairman gowdy, ranking member lofgren, and members of the subcommittee, chairman gowdy, ranking member lofgren, and members of the subcommittee, thank you for this opportunity to share the national immigration law center's perspective on e-verify. the national immigration law center has advocate for changes to e-verify since the program's inception, and continues to have great concerns about the program. e-verify makes all workers, citizens and immigrants alike, more vulnerable in the workplace. across the country labor law violations are rampant, and workers are regularly denied basic rights, like minimum wage and overtime. and too often we try and assert this right, they face