ms. umberger, ms.aboy.org and others are going through at a time when they should be joyous, bringing new life in this world. can you speak to that issue? >> thank you, senator, for your question. and guess i can. 70% of incarcerated women have mental health conditions even before they go through, if there pregnant, the trauma of birthing behind bars. so when you add to that the trauma, the degradation, the physical harm, that compounds and that can cause additional harm and psychiatric and mental health conditions as well. >> we think we are so enlightened, this generation of political leaders, myself included, because we speak and honest terms about mental illness, treating it, making sure that her health insurance covers it, being open about the aspect of trauma in what it does to a person's mind. we go through episodes of violence, crime, murder, and much of it is traced back to trauma that these young people experienced in early life. what i hear described today is trauma to these two witnesses, o

ms. umberger did.happening in jails across this country, with taxpayer dollars, it makes you think about how the united states goes around the world lecturing other nations on human rights, but how can we hear what we've heard today and accept that even basic human rights are being protected in our society. and i will say. dr. sufrin, that despite the strange moment earlier with my colleague, i think that there is the potential for bipartisanship, but it takes the courage of this kind of testimony for politicians who may not naturally be sympathetic to hear directly from people who have been through this kind of thing, what it means to get it beyond numbers and that's why it's so powerful what you've done today. and there will be hundreds of thousands, or millions of people across the country who will see tonight your testimony and understand better what's being done with their money in their name, supposedly consistent with our constitution when clearly, it's not. and this won't be the end of this sub