helen van etten. ms. n etten: in light of listening to those compelling explanation of the rules, house rules versus robert's rules, i feel like that everybody has -- i would like to move to refer mr. yue's motion to a committee appointed by the chairman of the rules to examine the proposal, the pros and cons at a later day, maybe the next rule committee meeting. mr. ash: there's a motion on the floor to send this to a committee appointed by the chairman that would be put off until the next rules committee meeting. dr. van etten, could you give us the size -- suggest the size of the committee that you recommend and who makes the appointment? ms. van etten: i would leave that to the experts, i'm not sure what size the committee. mr. ash: it has to be in your motion. ms. van etten: 56. [laughter] no, i just feel like this is something we probably, this is not a good time to discuss it, i would like to refer it back out to the committee. two from each region. i'm sorry. mr. ash: is your motion, dr. van etten,