ms. vaughn, where do you find denise undeserving? where do you find to blame her -- i'm not saying you blame her, but in terms of a policy, the immigration situation blames her. she because of a choice made by her parent was brought here. the parent probably had a very hard time, looked for a brighter future, had a small child, a year old, came to this country and this small child struggled and evolved into one wonderful, special person. how does the people like her, and they are truly like her, get the blame for other problems with our immigration policy? and i know what they are. i've been a mayor. i've seen what happened with kate steinle. there are a lot of problems out there. but this is a population that is contributing, is educating, is serving in the military, is proud and knows nothing else but america. why should america reject them? >> well, i don't think america should reject them, and i don't think americans blame people with daca for this situation. i think that they're upset that our failure to enforce our immigration