ms. williams. i think, with ms. williams, because the issues are similar -- it is a shirker declaration. we could go through it, if the parties wanted to. or if you think it would be helpful to meet and confer, so you can reach whatever stipulations' you may be able to reach with ms. williams that result from your discussions of the other witnesses. we might be happy to hear that, too. >> i could offer that i would be willing to prepare my objections and submit them at the same time as the other objections to the merchants and madison declarations. >> you submitted objections to williams already. >> thank you for reminding me. if they needed to be expanded upon, if we needed to meet and confer, we would be willing to do that. otherwise -- commissioner liu: i do think it might be useful, rather than general objections to mostly all of the paragraphs. >> i am sorry. you are saying that i could the tell the objections with a bit more specificity to particular sentences within paragraph stacks -- paragraphs? chairperson

ms. williams is being attacked for being biased. so until such time as her credibility is being attacked, i would say it is irrelevant. chairperson hur: i think you are correct as to when it becomes relevant and given the way we have decided to handle evidence, and in the event we may not see a witness, i do not see the harm in having testimony regarding by a cynne declaration, and affirmative declaration. to the extent there is further examination, we would have it. i do not see the harm in it. i welcome the views of other commissioners. to the extent we are evaluating witnesses on paper, it helps with credibility. >> i am willing to let it in. chairperson hur: given there are different viewpoints on this, is there a motion to overrule the objection to paragraph 18? all in favor? aye. commissioner renne: opposed. chairperson hur: the objection is overruled. any dissent with respect to overruling the objections 19 and 20?

ms. williams, ms. madison, mr. merritten and ms. peralta haynes, and likewise communications between ms. lopez and the sheriff, ms. williams, ms. madison, mr. merritten and ms. peralta haynes. it's a conferencelation taken from the telephone records from at&t as well as those text messages that the mayor's office has. so that is exhibit 83. >> so the names have been substituted for phone numbers? >> that is correct. so sheriff, i'm going to ask you to turn to page two of exhibit 83. now sheriff, can you see on the top line of that exhibit? >> yes. >> does that reflect the text message that you sent to your wife at 12:03 p.m. on january 4? >> on page three, i have here. page 3 of 17. >> sheriff, you should be on exhibit 83, not 82, sorry. >> yes. >> ok. are you on page two of exhibit 83? >> yes. >> you see that top line reflects that 12:03 p.m. text message? >> yes. >> and that's referencesing a voicemail that you left for your wife? >> yes. >> ok. looking at page one of exhibit 83, >> yes. >> you have communications on january 4 tha

ms. williams? >> no. >> the view held draft that the amount?-- did you help draft that e- maile? >> no. >> commissioner, is it a recording devices? >> is it also of recording devices? you told me it was earlier. >> counsel, let's not engage. >> the citizen said to oppose this plan was a recording device. -- the citizen said to us this pen was a recording device. >> i am talking to the council. if you could just give us a moment. can the shareiff look at the pen? let's proceed, counsel. thank you, ma'am. sorry for the inconvenience. >> if i may just point out, i do not know if the full commission is aware because the correspondents in not go to the full commission, but there was a community member who surreptitiously sofilmed my texting during a meeting, and it was attorney-client privilege. that is one reason we are upset. >> may i say something? >> we are done with this topic. i understand your concern, but let's focus on what we are here for. >> your declaration mentione- your testimony and your declaration said that you talked to ms. lopez o

ms. williams. 23 aces in third round. set up a match point. appropriately, and returnable. -- not returnable. the final, 7-6. tiger woods made his greenbriar debut. would have little feel with the putter. -- tiger woods had littlefield with the putter. -- little feel with the putter. do you know what helps with putting? great chipping. dustin johnson, the eagle. right now, b.j. seen in the lead with seven under par. -- b.j. vsingh in the lead. >> stay with us. >> this hearing he will not let up anywhere near the future. an update on the toes the conditions and how city leaders are stepping up the efforts to help. and the triple digits going on, we are also moderating -- monitoring the >> i never thought i would say it, but i can't wait for it to get to the upper 80's. >> and strong line of storms and severe storms coming from pennsylvania into baltimore county. heavy downpours, and unfortunately, perhaps damaging winds. this until about midnight tonight. then the heat continues tomorrow. 102 on saturday. dropping into the 90's on sunday. may 8

ms. williams that your husband continued to physically abuse you in your home? >> no. >> ms.your testimony is that you never ran out of the house screaming on december 31st? >> yes. >> ok. now, after the fight with your husband on december 31, did you send a text message to abe mertens. >> december 31st? >> yes. >> and that message said, hello, where are you guys? >> yes. >> how long after the fight with your husband ended did you send that message to mr. mertens? >> i think that that was around0 when i started to make theo's lunch and i was hungry and we ate, theo and me, because i didn't want to cook for ross. and then we finished and i tried to put him down and he didn't want because we pass all the schedule, and then i took him to square park and when i was walking up the park, i text them because i was along with theo so maybe they can bring grace to play in the animal square park and i think that was around 2:00 or 3:00 because i was in the park between -- until maybe 4:00 p.m. >> ms. lopez, i asked you how long after the fight ended that you texted mr. mertens. >> and

ms. williams that your husband continued to physically abuse you in your home? >> no. >> ms. lopez, your testimony is that you never ran out of the house screaming on december 31st? >> yes. >> ok. now, after the fight with your husband on december 31, did you send a text message to abe

ms. williams today. that down to one company may has a unique skit set or technology -- skill set or technology that they're consider exiting the business. otherl go pursue or market. that's quite honestly where we're really starting to see some concern. >> excuse me. i would agree with the gentleman here that this is going to affect us greatly. >> mr. chairman, thank you, and i yield back. >> thank you very much. mrs. davis. >> thank you, mr. chairman, and thank you all for being here. i just want to say as someone representing san diego that i want to thank you for your work on behalf of your employees and certainly their families. and i really relate to what you're saying about people being affected, but as we know it is not just in the defense industry that we see tremendous affect on families today, uncertainty and i know that you have to be concerned about that. how young people are educated today is critically important to our national security and so that's a concern as well. i want to just ident

ms. williams today. we're down to one company that may has a unique skit set or technology -- skill set or technology that they're consider exiting the business. they'll go pursue or other market. that's quite honestly where we're really starting to see some concern. >> excuse me. i would agree with the gentleman here that this is going to affect us greatly. >> mr. chairman, thank you, and i yield back. >> thank you very much. mrs. davis. >> thank you, mr. chairman, and thank you all for being here. i just want to say as someone representing san diego that i want to thank you for your work on behalf of your employees and certainly their families. and i really relate to what you're saying about people being affected, but as we know it is not just in the defense industry that we see tremendous affect on families today, uncertainty and i know that you have to be concerned about that. how young people are educated today is critically important to our national security and so that's a concern as well. i want

ms. williams were all interviewed by police. there are transcripts of those interviews. similarly to the transcripts -- well, it is not similar at all. earlier admitted the court transcripts from ms. flores' testimony gary >> we reserve on that but that is foreign testimony, correct? >> yes. you do not have to admit them. we do intend to submit them. then you can make a decision whether or not you want to admit them as admissible. >> under your scenario, would we get them in time to allow us to have the witness in person to reconcile the documentary offer for the previous interview transcript with live testimony? if it came in late in the process, that could make it difficult. if we knew it was coming early on, it might signal that we wanted certain witnesses available. or we might feel that it did not trigger that and it was reconciled without them. >> i am not sure the question that you ask, but i can say that i will get the closing party and the commission, our exhibit list by the close of business tomorrow. chairperson hur: that would be great. if we could have objec

ms. williams? >> i do not believe we are covered under the warn act because we are less than 100 employees. however, if that changes, absolutely. even if it does not change, if we do not get some contracts soon, and i do not see how we will be able to keep our employees. sequestration is going to cut drastically in our contracts. >> thank you. barring additional guidance from the office of management and budget and the department of defense on the application of sequestration, and do you believe that conditional notices will have to be issued this fall, prior to january 2, to comply with the warren act? how many employees you estimate will receive this notice is, and, if you are not issued notices, -- will not issue notices, what extenuated factors impact your decision? >> i think we will be compelled to issue notices. there is an ongoing discussion about how many warren and notices will have to be issued and when. there is so much uncertainty in this environment. i know that the committee wrestles

ms. williams today. that down to one company may has a unique skit set or technology -- skill set or technology that they're consider exiting the business. otherl go pursue or market. that's quite honestly where we're really starting to see some concern. >> excuse me. i would agree with the gentleman here that this is going to affect us greatly. >> mr. chairman, thank you, and i yield back. >> thank you very much. mrs. davis. >> thank you, mr. chairman, and thank you all for being here. i just want to say as someone representing san diego that i want to thank you for your work on behalf of your employees and certainly their families. and i really relate to what you're saying about people being affected, but as we know it is not just in the defense industry that we see tremendous affect on families today, uncertainty and i know that you have to be concerned about that. how young people are educated today is critically important to our national security and so that's a concern as well. i want to just ident

ms. williams today. that down to one company may has a unique skit set or technology -- skill set or technology that they're consider exiting the business. otherl go pursue or market. that's quite honestly where we're really starting to see some concern. >> excuse me. i would agree with the gentleman here that this is going to affect us greatly. >> mr. chairman, thank you, and i yield back. >> thank you very much. mrs. davis. >> thank you, mr. chairman, and thank you all for being here. i just want to say as someone representing san diego that i want to thank you for your work on behalf of your employees and certainly their families. and i really relate to what you're saying about people being affected, but as we know it is not just in the defense industry that we see tremendous affect on families today, uncertainty and i know that you have to be concerned about that. how young people are educated today is critically important to our national security and so that's a concern as well. i want to just ident

. >> now, in your declaration you testified you went to speak with cali williams because ms. madison had advised you to talk to cali williams? >> yes. >> ok. and you spoke with cali williams around 1:00 in the afternoon? >> yes. >> that was after you sent the text message to ivory madison? >> i do not recall that, i think, yes. >> so ms. lopez, if you thought ivory madison was calling your husband's political enemies, why did you follow her advice and talk to cali williams? >> oh, because at this point i didn't know she was -- no, i did -- at that point i knew she was -- she was using -- i do not remember if at that point i knew she was using our names. when i found that -- maybe i knew at that point that she was using our names. on january 4. that i understood she will never call the police without my consent. so i was trying to be clear on january 4. i do not want to call the police. i want to call a therapist. this is what my emails are about therapy. >> so when you decided to go out and talk to cali williams, at that point in time, did you think ivory madison was out there

ms. williams and does not have to deal with this, so that we can give them the questions beforehand, necessary for you to be able to make decisions related to the sequestration. if you can get this to us so we can get it to them >> if it could be removed tomorrow, would you be happy or sad? do you think it's a good piece of legislation or not? >> no. again, the second question is narrower than the first part. i think it's a good piece, it's good to address legislatively and the fast bulk of it is good. there's parts of it like the swinging of a pendulum that go too far and ultimately i think get adjusted, and i think the regulators -- a lot of dodd-frank as a bill with skeletal, and a lot of the very, very important details were left to a regulatory process and the regulators themselves were having problems coming to the right conclusion and pursuing those big goes a little bit of a path to the regulars and that is happening now. it's not all determined, but if i could push a button and submit dodd-frank, no, i wouldn't want to have that. >> what about the volcker rule part of it, are you happ

ms. kaiser? >> this is the portion of the williams decoration that was readmitted by agreement. >> ok. 135 -- 139 is in. 139 relies on 142. is that i invite this position? it was not in previously. >> that is not part of the stipulation. i will grant you you're standing objection on evidence being not admitted. is there any objection from the commissioners to excluding 142 which relies on paragraph 13 of volumes which was excluded from evidence? ok. that will be excluded. i think i had said 146 to 150. in light of us having admitted flores, this probably should come in. ms. kaiser, i truss to agree. >> yes. >> mr. kopp. >> i will submit. i do not have any argument. president of the we should strike 1463150 unless there the -- there is a dissenting view -- 146 through 150. i had 182 to 184, which is a big chunk. this seemed to relate more to events that occurred after what we're concerned about but i opened it up for argument from mr. kopp and ms. kaiser and the commissioners to express their views. >> my only comment is this goes along with my objection to that bullet point that still i do not th