ms. sullivan would be great on the committee as well, and then i was -- based on the work i did with candace wong to create the office of early childhood education, she was part of the planning effort, so i thought i would want to support her for seat 8, sandee blechman for seat 9 and seat 7 is the difficult part, and yes, ms. herrera-autumn has like wonderful experience within the child care setting and to be able to apply to a place where you work directly with students, you work directly with teachers, you work with the families and you also have an understanding of the setting and all the requirements that are in the field as well and that is an incredible per specie to have on the body, and then ms. davidson has an amount of experience as well, it would almost be a coin toss, and my hunch would be to focus on center based care that kathie herrera-autumn experienced, that came loud and clear with someone that would be a strong asset to the advisory committee, so i propose that we support her for the seat. >> alright, i'll publicly say, i'm fine with that. >> so, if we -- our motion, if that's