host: ms. wydra? guest: that is not the way equal rights works. we did not tell people it is ok this lunch counter is segregated. go to the one that serves people of color. all people are created equally echoes back to the declaration of independence proclamation. we have a principal that all people are treated equally. that goes back to the declaration of independence proclamation that all men and i would add women are created equal. there is an attempt to create a new claim, but it is the same claim the supreme court rejected in 1968 when the owner of the barbecue change came and said my religious beliefs prohibit me from serving african-americans and interracial couples and the supreme court rejected that, and they rightly did. they have, over and over, in the context of businesses in the public sphere, choosing their customers. when it comes to whether or not public businesses can choose customers on race, gender, and in this case sexual orientation, it is clear that you may not do that. host: min

host: ms. wydra guest: --ms. wydra.t: the good thing about generally applicable nondiscrimination laws is it does not matter what is in the person's heart or not. i do not know what is in the baker's heart. he sounds like a lovely person, but that is neither here nor there. no matter what your internal beliefs are, when it comes to your public-facing business, you have to treat all customers equally, whether you support them in terms of your political beliefs -- what if there are some people that are like i am with her, the hillary shirts, and you have to treat them equally? someoneame way you find annoying, you still have to give them your service. most importantly, our nondiscrimination laws say you have to treat everyone that comes to you equally, and not discriminate against them on the basis of these important, protected characteristics like race, gender, creed, sexual orientation. i have no reason to impugn the calendar -- character of these folks i do not want to provide flowers or cakes, but the fact is they hav