msnbc borrows reporters from nbc news. the cleveland kidnapping case, oklahoma tornadoes, even the philadelphia building collapse, does the fact that so much of breaking news has kind of tomorrow natured t dominated headlines, has it helped cnn and hurt msnbc? >> yeah, the stories you mentioned, boston, cleveland, oklahoma tornadoes. headline news had jodi arias and the verdict there. so huge ratings for them. and then all the scandals unfavorable to the obama administration. a.p., irs, james rosen, nsa, benghazi, you pick them, it's not good for a network like msnbc that openly cheer leads for the president. >> i'm sure some at msnbc would say they're not cheerleaders. but you buy into the theory if it's branded as a liberal network, if the news is negative for barack obama, that can have a depressing effect on viewer ship, not just the fact that this is not a campaign year? >> exactly. as you said, a nonelection year. m scht nbc is like the olympics at this point. you have the winter and summer other l owe lick pims ever

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joining me, craig melvin, covering the trial for msnbc. craig, what was your takeaway from this big action-packed first day in which we finally got opening statements and even saw witnesses on the witness stand? >> caller: you know what, chris, it's the sheer contrast between the two approaches to those opening statements. you played a clip there, a clip we've seen a lot of today. the state came out the gate, about 33 minutes. they started with using the words george zimmerman used, words we can't use on our air. there was a great deal of profanity used today. we had this date, and then they sat down, again, after about a half an hour, the defense gets up and they go for about 2 hours, 45 minutes. in addition to that knock-knock joke, the jurors were also subjected to a fair amount of looking at these detailed diagrams of that gated condo complex, and then there was a great deal of time spent looking at the timeline for that night. they took a lunch break then they came back. and the defense continued. so i would say just the juxtaposition

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msnbc and prime time down 20% each year and falling fast. joining us from washington tim graham from the media research center and macon, georgia, red state.com blowing. both are cerves. i think it's a desperate attempt by matthews to get attention. it's working because we are talking about it it's interesting because i don't think most viewers know how desperate the ratings are both on radio and television for liberals. what you have seen? >> bill, you know, it's very much like people remember in the iraq war, baghdad bob as the americans were closing in, got more and more shill and desperate. this is what is happening to liberal talk radio and msnbc. as the ratings go down, as people are becoming more a and more disenchanted with liberalism it doesn't relate to people who live within 100 miles of a river valley. people are tuning out and becoming shill trying to keep the core audience. >> bill: when you analyze which is what your agency does, mr. graham. there isn't a liberal talk radio presence now on a national basis. there is nobody in

. >> joining me live from sanford is msnbc's craig melvin. already we're seeing drama unfold in this courtroom. obviously the defense is still in their opening remarks but the prosecution came out not holding back. >> no. not at all, thomas. in fact, you just played a snippet of that stunning opening and you take that and contrast it with what we've been watching over the past 10 or 15 minutes, don west, the attorney for george zimmerman, he started his opening statement with a knock knock joke. and then after the knock knock joke he moved into an aerial display of sorts. he wanted to show the jury what the complex looked like. so you had two very interesting starts to the opening statements. again, john guy for the prosecution, came out fiery. right now don west, as we take a look, it's been quite the different approach if you will. he did start by saying that this is a sad case. ones man lost his life. another is fighting for his. and he also, he explained why zimmerman's family was not seated directly behind him. that was one of the first

he went on msnbc to say this story is not going to last for summer.he irony about this is that mark murray nbc political editor, he is married to an obama appointee. this obama appointee is now the chief of staff at faa. when you have someone dismissing the story and trying to push it off the front pages, you now know why because he is getting pressure at home. >> jon: and michael of the "l.a. times" wrote this. in a piece titled showing the irs some love after a witch hunt, the probe into the supposed targeting have conservative groups overlooks the facts that the tax agency does a good job despite the meager resources? >> other than that -- other than the massive scandal -- no, what they are going to do. they had a piece in atlanta today, he was there 157 times he was approved but it was actually closer to 11 times. he was meeting with agencies to implement the healthcare law. what the media outlets in making this scandal a little less damaging to the white house, they are going to elevate that fact and throw that out and cast an area of doubt on ev

yet you have somebody from msnbc, saying stupid things. want to keep kids what high personly means? take, hyperbole means? >> and voting rights decision was 4-1 against a decision and doma decision was 3-1. the bias here is pretty thick and not only intuitive but documented with facts and figures. >> jon: speaking of facts and figures. >> it seemed like 5-1 rare hoe oe stories were positive in terms of favoring gay marriage. there a lot of momentum but if you look at public polling, cnn did a poll, 53% of the country favors gay marriage, not 5-1.compared g difference there. >> jon: you said you think the coverage was appropriate? >> i thought the coverage was appropriate on gay marriage. america is shifting by age to very different static. >> young people overwhelmingly 5-1 favor gay marriage. i think if you consider this equal rights issue, there was reason.... >> you are assuming only young people are watching tv. >> no, we are just e just saying a general poll, excuse the fact that the country is shift. >> it is. it will be 60% in a cou

we expect several more tomorrow, chris. >> msnbc's craig melvin.o much. >> thank you. >>> joining me now is maya center for social inclusion. jeff dubin, founder of dubin research and consulting. michael eric dyson, professor of sociology at georgetown university. great to have you all here. josh, you worked on cases in florida, do jury selection consulting. so what do you want as the prosecution, and as the defense, on their first day, the chance to make the first impression, in a case like this. what do you want to establish with those jurors? >> the first thing you want to establish is the right tone. okay? and so much of being a great trial attorney is being able to establish a rapport with the jury. and i can tell you from the outset that i think the defense fumbled in a big way. i think that in a case where the deceased family is sitting 10, 15 feet away from you, to tell a knock-knock joke in a case as serious and that has received the type of exposure that this case has received was a huge mistake. conversely, i think the prosecution hit a

lisa bloom, msnbc analyst has been watching along with us.en talking about this throughout the last three or four days they were trying to establish at least in the line of questioning who was on top in this fighting technique. >> this is a prosecution witness but on cross-examination by the defense, defense attorney mark o'mara has gotten a lot of very useful information for the defense out of this witness. this witness has testified on cross-examination that george zimmerman in a red jacket was on the bottom in the fight that he saw that trayvon martin was on the top, that george zimmerman was screaming for help. the shot then rang out and that's consistent with the defense version of the case. he's now being asked about statements he made to the media. >> when we look at this, lisa, there's the sounds, the establishment of sounds and the way the defense was characterizing as histrionics. why is this important? >> because it's hard for witnesses to characterize sounds. initially he said i heard sounds and then i looked outside and he really

want to bring in msnbc meteorologist, dylan dreyer. what is latest on the overall direction of this storm? >> general direction of this whole storm, the one that stretches from illinois back into oklahoma. the slow-moving cold front moving slowly east. this is the area of concern today where we knew we would see very strong thunderstorms and isolated area back through oklahoma where we would see those very strong tornadoes, which has played out. tornado watch boxes extend up into parts of illinois. we had reports of tornadoes in wisconsin. through illinois. in the st. louis area and into oklahoma city where the threat was heightened and a. >> a potentially dangerous situation type of tornado watchish i'd hours ago. so that's why there was so much notice in advance these storms, not only would they be tornadoes but we would see very strong, powerful moving tornadoes. this is in advance of the cold front. that very warm moist air off the gulf of mexico and cool air line it. and that clash that unfortunately is going nowhere fast. tomorro

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joining us now from washington, former dnc communications director and host of msnbc's "disrupt," karen finney. she's also a board member of pro choice america. michael steele is sitting on the far end of this table and is so excited that i am introducing you first and giving you the first question as opposed to him. -- >> i bet he is! i bet he's even more happy that i'm not sitting there right next to him! >> yes, that's also true. that's also true. but let's talk about this, karen. i don't know -- >> you can't make this stuff up! >> you can'tly can't. what were your reactions to trent franks' comments.

that's wrong. >> referring to chris hayes msnbc show. jane hall, contrast the tone of this pair of rulings by the supreme court with the decision the day earlier to strike down the heart of the voting rights act. there i found the tone underlying to be disapproving, skeptical, challenging. >> well, i think it was regrettable that two very important stories happened one day after the other. rachel maddow was pointing out the voting heights story was highly consequential. the gay marriage story was viewview ed celebratory. there was a lot of happiness. the supreme court was probably mirroring public opinion and the media were mirroring the supreme court's mirroring. but the voting rights story which is very important, it's hard to visualize what might happen, what bad actions might come because of this and it was completely swept away. >> it really was swept away, and it ignored the follow-on stories that there should have been about the individual states and voter suppression acts that they are now enacting. >> it's partly the nature of t

msnbc and "time" magazine senior analyst mark halperin and thomas roberts back with us. have you with us this morning. >> what happened in texas last night? >> it's a fascinating story. we'll begin overnight in texas with the drama that has many americans hearing the name wendy davis for the first time because davis, a democratic state senator there filibustered the sb-5 anti-abortion bill for over 11 hours going late into the night and drawing attention across the country as thousands were watching live online. >> if we were truly talking about women's health care, if we were truly talking about making sure women were safe after an abortion, this is the kind of thing that goes right to the heart of that. and that we could agree. >> the bill would have banned

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i did it on msnbc.dedicated, they won't let this be swept under the rug. we're going to have a struggle ahead to get this out of the chain of command. there's no reason for people to say it won't work. it works. we know it works. >> thank you so much for your time here today senator boxer and thanks for being my first guess. >> i'm very excited. >> i'm joined by two of my favorite women, shanna williams and april ryan is the white house correspondent and p thanks so much for joining me. >> thanks for having us and congratulations on the show. >> thanks so much. so i want to start with you, shanna, because again listening to the level of conversation this week i was disgusted and surprised that it seems like the gop has not gotten the memo that at least don't talk about some of these things if you can't say it better, just withhold. >> yeah, no they clearly haven't gotten the message. obviously we at ultraviolet are our members are totally upset about the rhetoric coming out of the republican party. i te

joining us now in miami is msnbc contributor goldie taylor and in philadelphia, msnbc contributor professorson. professor, if i might begin with you. the judge has ruled that profiling by race cannot be brought up. however, prosecutors are free to use the term "profiling" as long as it's not in a racial context. and used possibly charged terms like wannabe cop and vigilante to describe zimmerman. what do you expect from the opening statements, given the restrictions placed on these proceedings? >> well, one i think the opening statements are going to be very, very important to this trial and we'll all be watching this very, very closely. msnbc will be watching this very, very closely. i think it's a victory for the prosecution in a week where they may have taken a couple lss depending how you interpret this panel of jurors. being able to use the term profiled is not the best case scenario for the prosecution but still helps because you want to establish with this jury the simple fact that mr. zimmerman made some rushes to judgment in the last few moments of trayvon martin's life. i think it

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what's happening to msnbc?s" premises is basically people are starting to figure out its maybe not a news channel that its mostly focusing on commentary. >> which is true. >> which is very true. and it's been that way for a long time and, you know, conservative media has loved to point that out for a long time but apparently people are just figuring it out. but also hln did the fact of having the infamous jodi airuos case that was insane for them the numbers that they did on that. but msnbc is in a unique spot a couple of months after the election, and they are having some difficulties. >> people are sick of politics. so why does fox do so well? because fox is not a news channel either. or is it? >> i think fox has more shows that kind of report the news. like, they have like shepherd smith on during the day and he doesn't have guests come on and just have a round table of politics like alex wagner. it's a different vibe. fox also does more i guess maybe entertainment. segments. msnbc is straight politics strai

. >> joining me now, an msnbc contributor, robert gibbs. robert, i would like to start with you first and draw you to an interview, in playboy magazine -- >> you don't get it for the articles? >> i don't get it for the articles or for anything else, for that matter. and playboy asked sean hannity, can the republican party save itself? he responded it can, and by doing it with very simple ideals. obama has incredible message discipline. what is amazing to me, despite this autopsy a lot of republicans still believe their only problem is messaging. what do you make of that? >> well, if you're in aa, there is a 12-step process to recovery. the first step only happens after you get past denial. and it appears as if most of the republican party has not gotten past denial, therefore can't begin the steps for recovery. and i think that is what you see here. i'll leave aside the commentary, that he made, whether it is on gay rights or women's rights, the republican party continues each and every day to demonstrate how vastly out of step they are wit

joining me now, msnbc steve kornacki and joy reid.ncredible thing that happened. >> yes, i was not following exodus, but that name, international, is sort of that iconic name in that kind of field, whatever you call it. it speaks to sort of the trajectory of history, you go back to the '70s and think where the conversation, the politics of gay rights were in the '70s. it was a totally complete, fringe thing. and in less than 40 years, we've gotten to a point where something that was sort of mainstream has had to shut down. >> joy, we talk about the attitudes of gay marriage and sexual morals, we look at this nationally. if you look at the young evangelicals, 44% of white evangelicals favor allowing gays to marry, compared to 12% of seniors and 9% of evangelicals, overall. i mean, this is where the future is in terms of evangelical gay marriage. >> yes, this is an interesting case study. sort of an object lesson for the bigger evangelical christian and christian movement in the united states. and reality is, churches are emptying, the

host of msnbc's "andrea mitchell reports," 1:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. it's required viewing for all "rachel maddow show" viewers. >> thank you, rachel. >> thank you so much. i will say one last note on this. the last interview published with the chinese press while mr. snowden was still in or leaving china was by the south china "morning post" today. they didn't publish it until today. what they published was him saying that he didn't have the job at the nsa and then just come across information that horrified him and shocked his conscience and decided to leak it. rather, he took the job at the nsa specifically to try to get information that he could take and then publicly disseminate. that's why he got the job at the nsa in the first place through booz allen hamilton which booz allen should maybe do some explaining about. we'll be right back. >>> on friday night's show we reported on politics in texas going sort of off the hook. thursday night, protesters flocked to the texas state >>> on friday night's show we reported on politics in texas going sort

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msnbc's karen finney joins me live in the garage.he restrictions of house bill 60 in texas. bans abortions after 20 weeks. requires doctors to have admitting privileges at hospitals within 30 miles, requires clinics to meet the same standards as ambulatory clinics. regulates how doctors administer pills. some say red tape, and these are not recommended -- medically recommended requirements, as well. >> well, and -- >> who would this affect most? >> it would affect the patients the most and further inconvenience patients the most. there are strict guidelines for these clinics. and we're seeing these kinds of proposals crop up in lots of places around the country and the goal is to try to shut them down. when you're talking about doctors administering -- it means you would have to have a democratic tore there with you when you take the morning after pill is basically what they're talking about. you can't trust a woman to follow a prescription? really? come on. and the fact they tried to shut these women down, these women disrupting and

every time i read on msnbc the scroll, it doesn't talk about ex president mandela. it talks about leader nelson mandela. we remember him for his moral authority, for stepping up and stepping in. guys like me, you know this, because you interview them, come and go, folks in elected office, formal authority, a dialectic by people on the outside constantly pushing us to do the right thing. and you've got to take that leap of faith. you've got to lean into that and step up and step in. i'm proud to have been a small part of that. what we're really celebrating are the extraordinary people, harvey milk's legacy, phyllis lion and del martin, at this day in and day out, exercising their moral authority to make the world a better place, a softer place where all of us can live our lives out loud. >> quickly, the statement we got from the white house. we did have the president on the iphone earlier in the hour, but now we have something more official. i applaud the supreme court's decision to strike down the defense of marriage act. this was discrimination enshrined in law, at

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also charge town university professor and msnbc analyst, michael eric dyson.nd james bamford, author of "the ultra secret nsa, the shadow factory." james, to you first. i think that's lost, there was a piece in which it was in the "washington post" today -- "it is operation snowden that's managed to capture the imagination of the american people. it's operation snowden that's leading every news home page and cable broadcast in the world right now. operation snowden has become the nsa story. james, you've written a lot about the actual underlying story. do you think that we've lost the plot here a little bit in this chase around the world to find the leaker? >> well, sure. i mean we originally that was the whole idea -- >> james, before i let you go, answer that question. we're going to go to the white house. the white house briefing is taking place right now and white house spokesman jay carney is talking about our work with russia. >>> again, as you know, we understand mr. snowden to be in russia and we are, of course, in discussions with russian authorities

lawrence owe dodge on msnbc, complained about snowden's naive and maturity level. politico's roger simon called him the slacker that came in from the cold and tom brokaw dismissed him as a high school dropout who is a military washout. >> the establishment including the mainstream media establishment, aren't always wrong. i mean, it's possible this guy did disclose most important national security assets we have in terms of surveillance around the world. i mean it's one thing to say you shouldn't spy on americans. that's a good argument. seems to have put the whole world on notice we're spying on them and given them detail as to sources and methods. >> next on "news watch" have the media hurt chances for a fair trial for george zimmerman? >> i don't like that they've rushed to judgment the way they have. >> the media spotlight back on george zimmerman. coverage heats up as jury selection for his trial ramps up. but has the accused already been convicted in the press? answers next on "news watch." ... >>> they don't trust the media and i think rightfully so. they th

mine, we have msnbc who gave us that great legal mind al sharpton immediately on the voting rights actmine, it was just a really -- besides sounding ridiculous, it makes the left wing media and msnbc look like this is a part russian hack-up. very few reporters were telling us that this was a 1965 act and that -- times have changed. it was very little analysis of why we would need a 1965 fix-it law today in 2013. that completes -- commentary was completely lost and al sharpton and others that blacks could no longer vote now that the supreme court ruled this way. really riddick us problem with the press is they didn't explain what the law was about and what the section was about. terry moran said the complete law had been inval indicated or whatever he said. it -- wasn't -- did not explain it to the average earn and even "the washington post" said that only 13% of americans were following any of this debate. >> the liberal media were using terms like gutted and assault and referring to the -- that law. >> yeah. i got back from the jersey shore yesterday. they got killed by hurricane sand

. >> jon: noah, there is an msnbc contributor, michael eric dicen, who labeled eric holder the moses of our time. we've got a lot of religious references in the hour thus far. how does he get away with that statement? he's talking about the right wing effort to smear the attorney general. >> he's a law giver. he's the equivalent of handing down the laws from on high. yeah, it was a very stream of thought and consciousness kind of effort to exonerate eric holder and make him some sort of a victim here. and it was very handled handed and relatively correctly lampooned. >> jon: so rick, you spent a lot of time at the podium explaining how government works. there is a question as to whether or not eric holder committed perjury. he said he wasn't involved back on may 15, in any attempt or that he knew nothing about any attempt to prosecute anyone in the press for disclosure of material. then later it comes out that he was the one who approved this court order, this request to investigate james rosen and even labeled him a co-conspirator. how does he get away with that? >> i'm not sure wha