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msnbc's political correspondent casey hunt and msnbc's abby huntsman. thank you both for being here. >> thank, rev. >> good evening. >> hillary clinton wasn't there, but they sure talked a lot about her. what do you make of that? >> well reverend i think it just goes to show you that all the of the people at this conference expect they'll be running against hillary clinton in 2016 and if you look at the way what's going on in the middle east with isis is playing out on the world stage, it is the opening they are looking to focus on and attack her on as much as they're going after the president for showing weak leadership in that regard. you had candidate after candidate stand up on the stage today, and talk about what they called radical islamism. >> clearly while she wasn't here, everybody knows who they're expecting to run against. >> the right also didn't shy away from their favorite topic, benghazi. watch. >> nor is it leadership when hillary clinton can see, what difference does it make? when our embassy is deliberately attacked and four americans are murdered. >> senator rand paul who speaking tomorrow tackled the same topic last night. >> i don't think she'll be able to overcome this. when she was asked to provide security for benghazi she didn't do it. she didn't defend our ambassador. i think that should preclude her from even being considered for the higher office. >> abby it seems that benghazi will be a big theme? is that a smart strategy? >> this is the three-day event where you have moderate republicans covering that i eyes, saying is it over yet? during the three days some of the craziest things rand paul won the straw poll where the winner that can throw out the most red meat rand paul won it last year. this is a crowd that really gets fired up over this. someone defined the event as the "american idol" for political in other words. you don't win based on how good your voice is but how you can appeal to this audience. normally i would say bring out the pop did not born and be enter tained, but this is important. these are the people that vote in the primaries. it's tough to make it to the general election. you have to get through these folks. how do you appeal to a cpac ground and general election group of people and remain authentic. that's something jeb bush will struggle with. i'm very interested to see how the reaction is. he can't speak to immigration or things like common core. he's going to have to find the right balance. he's got to find the right way to talk about it so these folks aren't upset with him. >> and you're going to have to find the right balance, because moments ago scott walker talked about dependence. >> up the way there in washington we have a president who measures success in government by how many people are dependent on the government. we should measure success by just the opposite by how many people are no longer dependent on the government. >> that sounds a lot like mitt romney, to me you know with so many republicans talking about fairness, he took a different tone, casey, didn't he? >> he certainly did take a different tone there. he's not talking about income equality which we have heard some republicans raise as something their party should be focused on but i wanted to touch on one other thing. walker actually talked about when he was asked how he would confront isis he talked about how he had confronted union protesters in wisconsin, because he was able to take them on with the national guard, he would be similarly able to take on isis and other global threats. that statement really raised some eye browse even here at cpac cpac. >> isn't that in many ways potential a misstep, when we talk about whether or not these candidates, or at least some of them are ready for primetime to get off of where other republicans are talking about income equality and you go back on this stuff. is walker masse missteps that will hurt him with moderates, and very damaging if he wsh to mac an general elect run. they both went to the uk and both trips were defined as a disaster. i think it's fair to say across the board there's a lack of foreign policy experience with these republican contenders. cpac is a good way for them to test their message. i don't expect the person that wins the straw poll to be the nominee, but it gives you a good sense of who will be pretty powerful in the primaries and who people want to put their money behind folks that are into folks on the far right. walker i think still has a way to go to prove himself. can comments like that i think it causes people to question that a bit. >> i see the new poll came out with walker leading 25 then rand paul 13 ben carson 11 mike huckabee 11 and below them all is jeb bush down at 10%, and you said kasie, these are the figures from iowa the quinnipiac poll. you said jeb bush speaks there tomorrow. who got the biggest applause there today? >> i think ted cruz probably wins for the most all palace though scott walker was either a close second or right there with him. both of them packed the room here. i will say anecdotally, as i spoke to attendees, scott walker is somebody who they're really excited about. i think the question is going to be whether or not he can sustained that. this is a really long -- we are months away from iowa. i think the question for him is is this the right time to be at the front of the pack? >> thank you both for your time tonight. >>> be sure to catch abby on "the cycle" weekdays at 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbcming up the first lady's campaign turns five and big stars are coming out to celebrate. >>> plus it's the age-old fight, celebrities versus the paparazzi. how taylor swift made them take a belly flop. >>> and we'll talk about those llamas on the loose. need we say more? it's all in "conversation nation." meet the world's newest energy superpower. surprised? in fact, america is now the world's number one natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. supporting millions of new jobs. billions in tax revenue... and a new century of american energy security. the new energy superpower? 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msnbc's joy reid. the "huffington post's" noah michaelson. and msnbc's abby huntsman. thank you all for being here. >> thanks. >> thank you. >> did alabama's chief justice try to break the law in the name of states rights? last night, alabama chief justice roy moore ordered judges not to issue marriage licenses to gay couples. just hours before federal ruling went into effect allowing same-sex marriages. this morning the supreme court refused to issue a stay to overturn the ruling and at least eight counties began issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples. but the confusion has led judges in some counties to continue denying same-sex marriage licenses. like in shelby county where a sign on the courthouse door reads, "due to the conflicting orders, this office will not issue any marriage licenses for the immediate future." joy, is this states rights in alabama all over again? >> yeah it is. it's almost like judge roy moore is sort of the back to the future supreme court justice. the supremacy clause it's in the constitution article 6. it says federal law supersedes state law and if the supreme court said you have to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, i hate to break it to you, justice, but you do. this is a stand in the schoolhouse door moment. it should be a no brainer for anyone calling themselves a judge. >> noah he -- the courts in alabama ruled -- >> uh-huh. >> they refused to stay it. >> yeah. >> so what's confusing about that to these counties that claim to talk about conflicting? there's no conflict here there's no stay on the order by the higher court. >> it's almost like no one's in charge in alabama. we're still trying to figure it out. even the governor, governor bentry won't say one way or the other what is supposed to go on. he said they'll support the probait judges. people are afraid to make a move. they're afraid if they go the wrong way, they'll get into trouble. instead of this being a historic day for same-sex couples, beautiful, hundreds of couples who want to get married, we're talking about swrus this moore instead. >> people are confused. some people are still confused over this. i like to say just like we tell people, there used to be a time when blacks couldn't vote i will tell my kids and grandkids there was a time when gays couldn't get married and you see there are still places especially in the south. i'm from utah where it's 50/50 still. people are struggling with how fast we've been evolving on this. >> this clearly, abby, is going to change, and -- >> yeah. >> -- this is like the last breaths of existence. >> they're holding on as much as they can. >> the reason i brought it to states rights part of civil rights history, is joy confused wanting to be con fusefuseconfused. if the supreme courts say we're not staying it we're not staying it. what's confusing about that? the order stays. >> i can understand ordinary citizens being confused. anyone who has gone to law school which presumably this chief justice has understands the supremacy clause understands that once the supreme court rules there is no confusion. civics class in seventh grade is where we learned about it. >> a lot goes back to religion. for many of the folks they can't separate their politics from going to church on sunday. >> i understand that. i understand that. >> that is what is bollpolling. >> i understand religion has been used wrong before. >> moore is on the record as saying homosexuality is evil. we know what he's talking about. >> it's a different kind of bias but they said interracial -- >> exactly. >> you cannot not deal with the law. if your religion you feel violated, break the law and suffer the consequences like many did with civil disobedience disobedience. >>> let's move on to politics and advice for the front-runner hillary clinton. david axelrod who orchestrated president obama's political rise from the senate to the white house was promoting his new book today when he offered this advice if hillary does decide to run again. >> she needs a very well-conceived message about where she wants to lead the country. i think she has to approach this campaign like a challenger not like a front-runner. like an insurgent and go out there and really make a strong case. >> run like an insurgent. abby, what do you make of that advice? >> interesting advice there. everyone is wanting to throw some advice to hillary clinton. they want to feel like they have a say in whether she wins or not. you know, i think the biggest thing for hillary clinton is being human. and being herself. and every time she talks about being a mother and being a grandmother, we already know she's smart, already know what she's capable of doing. we've seen her in so many positions at this point. the biggest thing for her is being who she is and real. the moment back when she ran last time when she had emotion, when she was cried. she was hit for that but i think a lot of people also were like, you are a real person, you are human and i like you more for that. >> but noah don't you get from axelrod's advice she's got to also show some hunger and some drive and some i want this? >> definitely. she can't rest on the name clinton. i think that some people think she really has been so far, she's resting on her laurels and that's going to get her, you know, into the white house. i think that she has to come out hungry, has to only out strong and has a lot of people to convince still. >> joy, she can't use a rose garden strategy if she runs as a -- >> inevitability is her best friend and worst enemy because it can breed a sense of complacency and appearance of entitlement to the office and has to give people an affirmative reason to vote for her and not presume she's going to assume the office because she's next in line. >> everyone, please stay with me. when we come back we have to talk kanye. he almost did it again last night. and it drew a big reaction from jay-z. the panel reacts, next. ♪ nineteen years ago, we thought "wow, how is there no way to tell the good from the bad?" so we gave people the power of the review. and now angie's list is revolutionizing local service again. you can easily buy and schedule services from top-rated providers. conveniently stay up to date on progress. and effortlessly turn your photos into finished projects with our angie's list app. visit angieslist.com today. ♪ >>> we're back with our panel, joy, noah, and abby. now to some big statements at the grammys. ferrell performing his hit song "happy" while he and his backup dancers dressed in hoodies posed with their hands up and in a rare appearance prince chose to make a statement as well. >> albums. remember those? albums. still matter. like books and black lives. albums still matter. tonight -- >> beyonce sung a beautiful rendition of "take my hand precious lord." a favorite of dr. martin luther king. and common and john legend closed the show with a moving version of "glory" from the movie "selma." joy, i saw james brown make statements through his music. what's your reaction to last night? >> i think it was important, and, you know, there has been a fair amount of criticism of black artists, particularly hip hop artists for not getting out ahead further on things like the black lives matter movement. i think it does show that these artists are willing to use their celebrity. i especially thought prince's words were poignant to put that in. to show that they are part of this movement. and the hoodies obviously coming out of trayvon martin. it is important to people that artists make a stand on these issues that are so important to substantial shares of their fans. >> domestic violence was a big issue last night as well. you hear people that you are fans of speaking out about it or talking about their own personal experiences and relates to people. to your point, joy, it can be so controversial they think about the timing. sometimes they're nervous about getting too out in front of it but i think sometimes it's smart to get out in front to show you have -- >> doesn't it also give a connection even if your fans may not agree that you feel and that you have -- you're more than something that is not involved and doesn't have a heartbeat as to what's going on? >> definitely. i think especially with music becoming so depoliticalized these days, to have people speaking up and talking out that resonates with viewers and like it one way or another. >> we can't talk about the grammys without talking about kanye's moment. beat out beyonce for album of the year and then it almost happened. [ applause ] >> i need some help. come back. oh my god. >> kanye almost taking over the mike again in protest. years ago kanye had this infamous moment protesting taylor swift's mtv win over beyonce. here -- here might be the best part, though. the reaction from jay-z and beyonce is absolutely priceless. the horror quickly turned into delight. kanye played it off as a joke but after he said this -- >> the grammys if they want real artists to keep coming back they need to stop playing with us. beck needs to respect artistry and he should have given his award to beyonce. >> abby what's your take? funny or disrespectful? >> i don't even know what to make of this guy at this point. i think this whole thing was planned out. i mean we were talking in the commercial break, rev, about how he's married to the biggest self-promoter there is as well. you wonder what the two talk about at night. it's clear he planned to go up there. when you hear what he said after, something that struck me he said you know the awards are not going to artists that excite people are get people into music. i disagree. it depends on the artist. i love taylor swift. blame me for that. i like beck. >> it's tacky for him to attack another artist and say beyonce should have won over beck. as with ee were saying, he's launching his new adidas collection this week has a new album coming out soon new rihanna album coming out soon. this is a tactical movement to get in front of people. >> by the way, the most tweeted about person or moment from the grammys last night was kanye west. >> he didn't win anything. >> and he even got noah to announce his adidas line and his -- >> we're talking about him. here we go. >> tonight on "politicsnation." >> we're talking about him who. >> who would have thought? joy, noah abby thanks for joining me tonight and "conversation nation." make sure you watch the "reid report" weekdays at 2:00 p.m. eastern. and abby on "the cycle" weekdays at 3:00 p.m. eastern. both right here on msnbcring legendary basketball coach dean smith and his winning ways off the court. to be this expert negotiator to get a fair deal. i hate to haggle. when you go to a restaurant you don't haggle over the chicken parmesan. why can't car-buying be like that? ♪ ♪ as long as people drive cars carmax will be the best way to buy them. the world is filled with air. but for people with copd sometimes breathing air can be difficult. if you have copd, ask your doctor about once-daily anoro ellipta. it helps people with copd breathe better for a full 24hours. anoro ellipta is the first fda-approved product containing two long-acting bronchodilators in one inhaler. anoro is not for asthma. anoro contains a type of medicine that increases risk of death in people with asthma. it is not known if this risk is increased in copd. anoro won't replace rescue inhalers for sudden copd symptoms and should not be used more than once a day. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition, or high blood pressure. te

msnbc. it's a failure. >> i had two years at msnbc, i can tell you on my show over there there were times when they wouldch a show say on abortion and they would position somebody on the proabortion side and i said well, you have got to give me somebody on the pro-life side and they would look at me like i had three heads. >> they didn't know anybody. >> it didn't occur to them to have the other side represented. also the corruption comes in with, for example cbs news the president of cbs news now, david rhodes, his brother is one of president obama's top notch security advisors. >> i don't think you can say he is biased because of that family relationship. >> there is a rotating door where people come in and out of government and into the media. it's very corrupt. >> it's all about pelley and about williams. >> it goes deeper than that. >> new guy at abc. >> it's systematic institutional and ideological. >> all right ladies, thank you very much. we appreciate it. next on the rundown, senator rand paul caught in the controversy about terrorism and vaccines. we will talk about the senator's presidential c

all do that, i will show you a clip from msnbc -- hold on to that, i will show you a clip from msnbc. >> brooks has this argument that is useful we'd, it will make you dumber, his article made me dumber -- if you smoke weed, it will make you dumber. his article made me dumber. i know from personal experience you can smoke and it will open you up to do perspectives and this is why i created -- why people have been smoking marijuana for centuries. the idea that it is the ruination of society is baseless. the idea that you are only and are all out, there are smart people -- all in or all out their arse -- there are smart people that are lawyers. >> my claim was, and he is wrong about this. if you are an adult and you smoke weed, it does not have an effect on your brain. if you're a teenager, it definitely does. >> how old are your kids? >> connectors. -- it is something to be taken seriously. as for the effects on creativity, people have studied this and found that you have the illusion that you are more creative when you are smoking hot not much evidence that -- but you not much evidenc

msnbc. thank you for being a part of it. we're going to continue this conversation on the rundown and throughout msnbc. it's an important issue, one that i thank you for letting us be a part of your day. [ applause ] >>> this is a big night here at msnbc. thank you for joining us tonight. what you just saw was president obama with jose diaz vallart. the conversation happening at florida international university in miami. president obama i think making news in a bunch of ways in that appearance. this is my take on what just happened. i think he made a bunch of news. and not just for his super inflammatory accusation that jose dyes his hair. rest assured we will get to the bottom of that outrage. president obama also tonight in his appearance is taking a direct shot at likely 2016 presidential candidate jeb bush. i'm not sure i've ever heard him talk about jeb bush before tonight. but he did so directly tonight in a very negative way. that was a bit of a shock. president obama tonight also saying bluntly, and with -- for him what counts as a lot of emotion, that it is the republican party specifically that is to blame for why this hasn't been immigration reform in the country. he said it is the republicans' faults specifically, calling

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. >> joining me now, stephanie miller, jose vargas, and msnbc's alex wagner, and sam stein, senior politics editor at the huffington post and msnbc political analyst. alex wagner, rudy giuliani, he at least warns you. he says, i know this is a horrible thing to say. >> the fair warning. lawrence, i don't know which speeches rudy giuliani has been listening to, but the speech in question that's garnered all this criticism, the president made yesterday and he began with a 15-minute introduction about how exceptional america was. this is a president who has credited his own presidency with -- to american exceptionalism, who says at the conclusion of almost every speech i've heard him give, which is a lot of speeches, that this country is exceptional in its union, in its ability to overcome challenges. and was saying that about the threat posed by isis, that we overcome these challenges in front of us and our union is more perfect at the end of it. i think this is really rudy giuliani searching for a way to undermine barack obama's credibility. it goes back to conservative beliefs that he's not one of us, but is not rooted in fact. i

msnbc. >> what i want to see, i want to hear what she wants to run on and what shez wants to do. that's what campaigns are supposed to be about. >> msnbc's alex wald at the speech. gotten up early in san francisco and mark murray political eder from d.c. thank you both for being with me and alex clinton struck a tone. might have been because she was speaking to a room full of women, but she's not going to run as any other candidate, but as a woman, did you get that sense as well? >> absolutely. she chose this as her first speech in the u.s. of 2014 to a room of 5,000 women in silicon valley. she talked how women's issues are the great unfinished business of the 21 it is century, described the locker room mentality in a lot of places in the tech world how women are often not welcome. this is a marked change from 2008 when she was advised to not emphasize her gender to emphasize strength and experience and one that is genuine. issues she's talked about for decades and strategic. i talked to a democratic strategist who worked on her 2008 campaign if she can make in-roadsry married women, the kinds of women at this event yesterday, professional women, the math becomes pretty difficult for republicans in 2016. this is a key demographic group and could be her secret weapon in a presidential run. >> and mark what's it going to take to satisfy folks like elizabeth warren about a clinton campaign? >> well we heard from elizabeth warren in the clip you played she's staying look i want to hear what hillary clinton has to say. i don't think anyone believes elizabeth war been make a president's bid. it she was, she'd be hiring people forming a committee as we've seen from others. what elizabeth warren is trying to do influence within the democratic party holding out a slim chance she might end up doing it it's to be able to have her say and influence within the democratic party and on 2016 and jose it's worth noting on many public policy issues and whether it's on president obama's immigration executive actions, whether on nsa or net knew trait, hillary clinton hugged president obama in a lot of ways the best route for hillary clinton to avoid a primary among democrats supporting what president obama is supporting, unlikely you'll see a serious challenge from liz weth warren or elizabeth warren or the likes. >> and this was rebuke to rahm emanuel. a weak field he was running against. he was the best financed best known person. was unable to get across that 50% threshold. it's very possible according to the math he could end up winning the april runoff. jose, what essentially rahm emanuel doing, running against himself. got turned into a referendum against him. he is he's been kind of unpopular the last four years in chicago and last night's election results bore that out. >> and thank you so much for being with me. always a pleasure to see you both. appreciate it. >> thanks. >>> coming up live from florida international university, the site of our exclusive town hall with president obama tonight. i'll be joined by two dreamers whose personal stories have helped shed light on the human side of the immigration debate. what do they want to ask the president? that's next here on "the rundown." 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you lived in miami, that's right, you led a group of students from fiu, miami-dade and south florida up to d.c. at a time when it wasn't easy to do it. never easy. what would you like to hear the president say tonight? >> really i think one of the things we did on the walk was share a story, and tried to change this whole issue of criminality. they talk about us say families, not felons but is that what it is about? i know living here in south florida while having so many people from all over the world, more than anything cuban immigrants, i learned that this issue is something that is very complex. what i want to hear is dive into the issue of immigration, not a problem but human phenomenon that we have to deal with for a long time. >> you have been critical of democrats and republicans alike who you see are not supporting immigration reform. what would you like to see the president deal with tonight? >> i think for me it is a lot about really hearing the stories of folks that are going to be here. it has been really hard, at least for us when we were pushing the president to do this last year and for daca we asked them to hear the stories, talk about how it is effecting families on the ground. and it was really hard to do that. many times we could do it only with folks who had a parent who were undocumented but not necessarily people that were undocumented themselves. so it will be an interesting way. you know, it will be interesting to see what's going to happen. >> it is so difficult for a lot of people. i guess if you're not part of this community you don't really understand or sense the level of fear there is among millions 11 million plus people who see uncertainty as the only status quo. how do you deal with that fear and how do we express that to people who maybe think this is not me this is not my reality, not my world. we talked to diana while ago, so many people say to me to you, to you, get out of here go back to the country you came from et cetera. how is it that you can convey this fear and the feelings that a lot of folks that weren't born here but are here feel about this country? >> well i think for me one of the things i tried to come at is meet people where they're at and explain to them that we love this country, that we want to belong, and that we want to come right with the law. we want to be able to do something. we don't like living in fear not knowing what we are going to do, if we are going to be able to drive without a license. we don't like that. one of the things that people need to understand it is not that we don't want to become citizens, it is just that there's more life. a lot of times, make the line. there's no line. we want to make something and get right with the law. >> i think it is a lot of hearing the stories and seeing the human face of the reality, right. when you don't see the human face many times you become a number and in the past that number has been you know this many undocumented people live in the country, but who are they giving us a human aspect many times can change a lot of hearts and minds. >> erica, gabby, thank you both for being here. so looking forward to seeing you tonight at the town hall meeting with the president. he is going to have the opportunity to hear many voices many perspectives many questions. i am glad that he is here to answer it. thank you so much. appreciate you being with me. >>> coming up as we take the turn on "the rundown," a lot more from fiu. but this morning gets going on capitol hill. we expect to hear from house speaker john boehner when he comes out of his conference meeting. also the house judiciary committee is taking up immigration action house democrats are expected to discuss this issue. we are going to have it all for you next hour on "the rundown" from fiu, florida international university. toenail fungus? 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>> reporter: this is a blinking contest of the highest order, jose. speaker john boehner has been saying consistently that the house has passed funding that would keep the department open through the year and of course it does include changes to the immigration executive orders and policies of the president, so he is saying the senate must move first. that's been a consistent message. now with the clock ticking down, is he likely to change that? at the same time, we've got senate democrats led by harry reid, they don't want to take that bill from mcconnell until they know what speaker boehner will do. what mcconnell offered is a two step approach. fund the department through the fiscal year that takes us to october 1st. that makes most people happy. then a second vote which would address concerns of conservatives that say the president has overreached, but it is not a full roll back like we saw in the house bill. it is a more narrow focus on just deportations. it would leave dreamers intact rules related to them. that's one of the changes that would be more appealing to some of the more mainstream republicans in the senate who say let's get this done. but the question is what can house speaker john boehner do? he is in a meeting with his conference now. the most vocal members don't want to see him give an inch to the senate because even though senate majority leader of last year harry reid had so much power, now in the minority harry reid still seems to be calling some of the shots, trying to make the speaker promise he can deliver. that's something we have watched over time jose difficult for the speaker to be able to promise what his conference will do. that's why his remarks coming up are so important. jose? >> we will be going live to them when they do happen. amanda, does the fact that mcconnell is willing to put up a clean bill represent a victory for the white house? >> i don't think it is time for the white house to take a victory lap quite yet. as kelly outlined though senator mcconnell came out and said he is willing to issue a clean bill that doesn't necessarily mean democrats or even congressional republicans for that matter will take up the deal. politically, this could be damaging for the republican party. you know after the terror attacks abroad after growing concerns with isis the idea of jeopardizing department of homeland security for political reasons to bring down immigration actions could become a queasy option for republicans. >> that's what the white house and jeh johnson has been saying. the other issue is if you have this clean bill the senate republican senate a clean bill as kelly o was saying you move the immigration issue until a future date could that you think get enough support among democrats and republicans? >> i believe democrats are waiting for speaker boehner to make the first move really elements of his far right conservative elements of the caucus could potentially sink the whole plan and the clock is ticking until friday. >> amanda good to see you. kelly, thank you for being with me. appreciate you both being with me this morning. >> great looking set, jose. >> thank you. what was that kelly? >> great looking set you have for the town hall today. >> yeah. look at that. i will show you the graphic. look at the wide shot. can we show the set we built here at florida international university? these are all chairs that will be filled you'll see it at 8:00 tonight. take a look. look at all of the cameras we have here. how many cameras? >> five. >> like 20. only five working now, raul won't exaggerate things but it looks beautiful. in just a couple hours right there on that stage we are going to be speaking with president obama. these chairs will be filled with all kinds of people with all kinds of opinions and all kinds of questions. we've also been asking you to send in your questions. what would you like to ask the president about immigration? show that graphic again, if we could. it's got the hash tag you can use to ask your questions tonight at the town hall you're going to be seeing on msnbcs your questions, comments through social media. take a look at that. 8:00. by the way, 8:00 p.m. eastern time here on msnbc. if you want to watch it in spanish or really would like to watch it in two languages. watch on telemundo at 7:00 p.m. and msnbc at 8:00 p.m. >>> three hours u that's how long it took a texas jury to find eddie ray routh guilty of the deaths of chris kyle and chad littlefield. routh will spend the rest of his life in prison without possibility of parole sentence littlefield's mother applauded. >> we just want to say that we've waited two years for god to get justice for us on behalf of our son, and as always god has proved to be faithful and we are so thrilled that we have the verdict that we have tonight. >> joining me now, legal analyst lisa green. good morning. >> good morning. >> three hours seems like a fast turnaround for deliberations. >> it included a dinner break, they served justice swiftly. in the end, the defense had a high burden to meet in attemptin

msnbc. >>> time for "conversation nation." joining me tonight access hollywood's sean robinson, political analyst jason johnson, and msnbc contributorthank you all for being here. >> glad to be here. >>> start tonight with jeb bush and the past. according to "the washington post," the former governor doesn't want to talk about the wars in iraq and afghanistan his brother led america into. quote, i won't talk about the past. if i'm in the process of considering the possibility of running, it's not about relitigating anything in the past. jason, can he get by hiding from the past? >> no. not at all. especially if he ends up going up against hillary clinton. look everyone is going to look at his name and look at his past and look at his history. and you can't tell the audience don't look over here, don't look over there, only look at what i'm saying. so i think george bush is being very foolish with this strategy and the more he looks like he's trying to avoid talking about his past, the more people are going to start digging up everything in the swamps of florida. >> shaun? >> well, rev, i'm going to put an entertainment spin on this.

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>> the piece is coming together in iraq and the outlook in syria and other places are not so rosie. but with the country training forces and training more brigades with the united states assistance and consolidating units from the south and bringing them up to get them into the fight and a series of tactic al tactical defenses in provinces and in the north we have the kurds who are essentially encircling the city of mosul and break the supply lines into syria and isolate that city so that no one can get in or out, at least not into isil's other trrs. ss -- territories. so all of the other indicates are good right now in the attack. >> and now there is a nonprofit group stepping in to say where others can't and the group is called sons of liberty international and the guy that heads it is matthew van dyke and spent six months under gadhafi and he said it was the killing of his friends that motivated him to step in. they are training christians the ground in iraq and the president said this is not a religious war but is it turning into one, is the question? >> i don't think it is turning into a religious war but i have no problem with these guys training the christians. isil has demonstrated as we saw with theizeiddy that they are willing to annialate the small groups inside of iraq and for that matter if it could get to the shia arabs it would attempt to do the same to them. you don't like to throw around words like genocide but it looks like some flavor there of. so is training the christians going to make a big dent in the macro picture in the war against isis, no it does not. but is it important to this community of christians that doesn't get annihilated, it matters to them. yeah i'll all for it. >> and you mentioned it is a shia authority country and under hussein it was a sunni population and they are been marginalized since 2003 and you are arguing a significant portion them are sympathetic and so explain for us in plain english where are the iraqi-sunnis sympathetic to isis and can this change? >> i think there is a significant portion of iraq sunnis -- there are two things going on. first, they enjoy the privileges that they enjoyed under the last regime. and for them to -- to live as a minority -- in a minority status inside of iraq is something that is just unacceptable to them. that regime will never be as good as it once what. think of white south africa or kurds in kosovo. you will never have it quite so good again. >> is that a fair comparison? because we don't think of it that way. is it that sort of authoritarian, that is what it was like for some of the sunnis under saddam and they will never be brought back to that kind of power? >> well certainly -- and i'm not saying they were all kplis ant. many live normal lives and had nothing to do with the renleem and -- regime and many live their lives and have farming. but they did get a disproportionate amount of attention and services from the government and they will probably never see that again. they don't know they got that because everyone else was deprived and now things are distributed more equitably or perhaps some going -- perhaps now other groups are more privileged. that is also happening as well. but this is a dynamic that they long for the old days when things were better for them. and that is natural. i mean, they are deprived. not maybe in absolute terms but relative to what they once enjoyed. >> one of the best allies are the kurds, they have been tough and strong and loyal and folks are saying this will lead to an independent kurdistan and you say no that will not happen. >> there are stubborn facts of geography here. the kurds are land-locked. and we have to remember. do they have a lot of oil in kurdistan. yes they do. and can they harvest that and get it to market. they have to push it through turkey or south through iraq. at least given that they can't push it west through syria any time soon and east to iran they are under sanctions so it is difficult. so it is essentially north or south and that puts them in an awkward situation given turkey and their turkish minority and their feelings about an independent kurdistan and they are part of iraq and if they want declare independence they have to figure a gentle way to do that to keep relations with bagdad and not taking kirkuk with them. and i know i'm getting into details here and getting wonky here for you. >> that is what we appreciate you for. >> and we are keeping you in the cycle here so what you want to know. as of today, marijuana is legal in alaska. the third state to legalize it. but a ban on public smoking is still strictly enforced. winter weather is putting the brakes on travel throughout the south. while bitter cold temperatures are crippling much of the east coast. here dominica davis is tracking it for us. >> we are still tracking the temperatures. the cold looks like it will ease up but not until next week. here is what we saw today for the world told keemts. minus 11 in portland. these are air temperatures not windchills. minus ten in binghamton. hartford minus four. all record-breakers. the latest winter storm warnings and advisories stretching from texas into the carolinas. so this is a brand new system that we'll be seeing by wednesday. storm tracker, though is showing a system that is moving over the northeast. it will push up to the northeast, i should say, tonight and tomorrow morning. and guess what? 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good morning. >> reporter: well, good morning, jose. it has been a very smooth peaceful day outside the courthouse in montgomery. inside the probate judge's office a couple dozen couples have come out to cheers. there's one lone peaceful protester, peaceful is indicative of what's happening in montgomery. at 8:00 this morning they opened the doors, a couple of couples went inside and got the marriage license after 8:00 this morning. the first couple in line join us live this morning. talk about how you're feeling, being part of such a historic day in alabama. >> it is humbling. came out here yesterday to camp out, received a lot of reports, people came by, gave us donuts chocolates, got a poem from a lady i didn't know. it is exciting. >> you're part of the human rights campaign. this is close to your heart personally but also professionally. is this what you expected in smooth day we had so far today? >> i did. i expected it to be smooth. this is important to us not just personally but also professionally. this is why we do the work we do so that more people can come out and get married, yeah. >> walk us through the day. you went inside got your marriage license. you came out to a crowd of cheers. you immediately had your ceremony. i saw there were a few tears you both had as you exchanged vows. >> she was the crier, i had to hold it in we can't both be teary eyed. our god parents came i am glad they came they mean the world to us. that's basically what happened. >> in your hands you're holding your marriage license. do you want to show us what it looks like talk to us about the feeling you have. it has been a crazy couple days for you. >> yes. i am ex-static, i am a little overwhelmed and overjoyed that it went smoothly. >> the two of you live in tuskegee alabama, both from other states live in another part of alabama. what made the decision to come to montgomery to get that license. >> two weeks ago when judge reed sent out that tweet and said if there wasn't a stay he would marry everyone we came and wanted to be sure there was no rough patches. go ahead, get through, be legal, happy, married. >> we appreciate your time this morning. it hasn't been this smooth at other probate judges' offices, but this is what it looks like in montgomery. back to you, jose. >> melissa johnson, thank you for being with us this morning. >>> turning to texas and a tussle in the lone star state. former governor rick perry going after the state's junior senator ted cruz in interview with "the washington post," he compared cruz to president obama. here is how cruz responded sunday. >> listen i like rick perry, he was a good governor in the state of texas, he's a friend of mine. people occasionally throw rocks in politics. that's his choice. i'm going to say i think he did a good and effective job as governor of our state. >>> meanwhile, congress gets back to work today. lawmakers try to figure out how to keep department of homeland security up and running. here with me to frame the debate victoria soto and joe watkins, former aide to george hw bush. what's between the two texas gop big wigs? >> i did a double take. was that rick perry saying that or ted cruz it sounded more like ted cruz. we are seeing rick perry beef up. he is dropping comments like these. more importantly, playing the money game. just last week he released a list of 80 top donors in texas. we also know that he has been beefing up in terms of studying in terms of international policy, domestic relationships, and he is in it to win it. the only but is that indictment hanging over his head. he is in a very strong position unless the indictment doesn't disappear in the next five months, then all bets or off. >> kred cruzzism. breaking that rule to not speak of another republican in a bad form? >> i guess he is doing what candidates do in tough presidential primary battles. right now polling behind senator cruz. senator cruz is probably seventh place, most polls i have seen and rick perry is in about ninth place. he has some ground to makeup. maybe this is a way he makes up ground. it will be tough getting the dollars. you have governor jeb bush really leading the pack followed by chris christie and some others but it is going to be a real scramble for campaign cash. candidates are going to be serious about doing that. >> turn to immigration, jeh johnson is pleading with lawmakers to separate that immigration fight from funding homeland security. how dangerous is this game of chicken? >> it is very dangerous, at the federal level and state level. most states are in session, and here in texas we are seeing some very extreme propositions being put forward. one talks about having a texas border patrol and funding that and essentially having border patrol separate from national government. this is making me very nervous, at the federal and state level. i hope that ultimately some middle ground can be brought on by the veto threat by the president. >> meanwhile, the immigration debate as it continues on this issue, for example, will have impact on 2016 potentially. >> absolutely. you don't want to be the party against immigration or finding a way for people who are here illegally to become legal residents of the country, legal citizens of the country. so it will be a challenge. i think what we are going to see is short term funding measures. yok i don't think dhs will be defunded. i think we see in short term funding measures, 30 day measures until the issue is resolved. >> continuing resolution, gives three months more time. thanks for being with me this morning. appreciate it. >>> up next beyonce closed out the grammys with a soul filled performance, but it was what her friend kanye west did earlier in the night making headlines. show you that in today's five things. >>> and hot night for the grammys on social media as well. check out tweets using #grammys2015. 4.1 million tweets in that time period. 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msnbc so we haven't been able to find the video you saw. you wrote to nbc, and what did you say when you wrote in? >> i wrote to msnbc at the time because that was the website i went to. >> i'm sorry. i was just going to tell our viewers at home at the time msnbc.com was the website for nbc news so that's why you went to msnbc.com. >> correct. >> and you wrote to nbc to do what? to get them to correct it? >> just to alert them that the facts were incorrect, because, you know, stating mr. williams was not part of our flight. he was in a different flight. >> in 2007 at fairfield university, connecticut, brian williams said a different version of the story. i want to play that sound bite for you and get your reaction. >> a few years before that you go back to iraq and i look down the tube of an rpg that had been fired at us and it hit the chopper in front of ours. >> is it possible he was able to look down the tube of a rocket-propelled grenade launcher? >> i guess if he's that close, then he's got bigger problems. the only thing you see coming off of an rpg was the smoke trail and explosion. like i said if you're that

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msnbc. it's an important issue, one that i thank you for letting us be a part of your day. [ applause ] \s >>> this is a big night here at msnbc. thank you for joining us tonight. what you just saw was president obama with jose diaz vallart. the conversation happening at florida international university in miami. president obama i think making news in a bunch of ways in that appearance. this is my take on what just happened. i think he made a bunch of news. and not just for his super inflammatory accusation that jose dyes his hair. rest assured we will get to the bottom of that outrage. president obama also tonight in his appearance is taking a direct shot at likely 2016 presidential candidate jeb bush. i'm not sure i've ever heard him talk about jeb bush before tonight. but he did so directly tonight in a very negative way. that was a bit of a shock. president obama tonight also saying bluntly, and with -- for him what counts as a lot of emotion, that it is the republican party specifically that is to blame for why there hasn't been immigration reform in the country. he said it is the republicans' faults specifically, calling republicans out by name. the president also tonight got mad twice by my count at questions suggesting that he and the democrats share some of the blame with the republicans. the president totally rejecting that tonight. president obama tonight weighing in on the current drama in washington as we speak. i don't think he has done this before. this appearance with jose that he just did. but tonight the president flat-out dared republicans in congress to take a vote, to try to pass a bill on whether or not his own actions as president on the issues of immigration were legal. the president tonight explicitly dared the republican party to take that vote. and he said if such a vote passed, quote, i will veto that. president obama also making this tonight, not just on the politics, but on the substance, and this is the first sound bite i want to play here. the president got this very intense question, emotionally powerful moment at this event, when a wounded afghanistan war vet posed this direct question to him. the president responded personally to this young vet on his direct question. but then i think he also made some news for the whole country in terms of what he said next. watch. >> when i was 17, i joined the u.s. army. actually, my mom had to sign because i was so young. my 18th birthday i spent in basic training. my 21st birthday was spent in afghanistan. i was actually shot at on my birthday. you know, i came back. i'm a wounded warrior. i was medically discharged from the military in 2011. and i come back home, and only to find out that i'm fighting another war with my mother, trying to keep her here. so i just want to ask you, mr. president, if there has to be some kind of gray area for a situation like this, because i put in a lot of time and i love this country. and i just feel like if it wasn't for her signing those papers, i wouldn't ever have been able to join this great american army. so i want to ask you if there's any way that situation could be handled a little better. >> first of all, let me just say thank you, eric, for your incredible service to our country. i'm confident that your mother qualifies under the executive action program that i've put forward. right now, the judge has blocked us initiating the program where she can come and sign up and get registered. but in the meantime, part of the message that i'm sending is, if you qualified for the executive action that i put forward, then we're still going to make sure that your mom is not prioritized in terms of enforcement. and she should feel confident about that. so i just want to assure her short term. >> president obama making some news tonight here on msnbc, saying that even though a federal judge in texas has blocked his executive action, that would have protected from deportation people like this young wounded veteran's mother, even though that new program is blocked right now by that federal judge in texas, president obama tonight said that he has still taken action despite that judge's ruling basically to deprioritize deportation proceedings against people like that guy's mom. against people who would qualify for that program, if that program were allowed to be in effect. this is going to make republicans nuts, right? i mean, this is the president effectively saying, that he is making this change in u.s. immigration policy. he is making it. even though they are so mad about it in washington, and even though that federal judge has formally blocked his actions. this is president obama saying he's going to do it with his executive authority to decide what becomes an enforcement priority or not. regardless of the republicans being so mad

msnbc. they have both seen viewers turn away in droves. 2014 was cnbc's least watched year since the glory days of the anyone 90s when they were the dominant financial network. just last week msnbc had its lowest full day rating in close to a decade. parent company comcast stands to lose millions of ad revenue. meanwhile $45 million merger with time-warner cable is still pending and comcast hates distractions. >> they sure do. this weekend the news division is trying to move forward. how can it. when a fact checking investigation is still going on and williams is still sill enand the staff is still seething. carl burnstein is with me on staff and we're with someone who faced something like this. thank you for being here this morning. >> good morning. >> your read on how nbc has handled this so far. have they done subpoenas they can purchase it's easy to second-guess seeing that litany i'm getting a rash under the sweater. it's hard to pile on after the whistle. there's lots of ways to handle these things. nbc is trying to be responsive get back to business. six-month suspension, an inquiry that continues of let's, as carl said earlier, let time elapse and see what the response i

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msnbc steve kornacki thanks for that. >>> makes you quantity to watch and watch steve every weekend on "up" on msnbc. this sunday don't miss a special "snl" roundtable featuring former performers and writers. if you need more "snl," tonight on "politics nation," classic. reverend al sharpton sits down with his "snl" impersonator kenan thompson tonight at 6:00 p.m. eastern. lots of good tv out there to watch. >>> vice president biden will make a 2016 decision later this year officially. the veep was in iowa thursday to push some of the administrations policy laid out in the state of the union. unofficially a trip to iowa is about reminding hawkeye state voters he is not ruling out a run for the white house. >> that's a family personal decision that i'm going to make sometime in the end of the summer. i've been here a lot. i have a lot of friends. i'm going to see some of my friends still in the legislature here today. but, no. i'm not doing any organization, if that's what you mean. >> all right. while he waits, republican jeb bush continues raking cash and a whole lot of it. some donors giving six figures to his super pac. from the "new york times," and also from washington a political reporter. to both of you, thanks for joining us and a lot to get to. start with you, perry. donors shelling out $100,000 each to be around jeb bush. here's the question -- this early in the game why? just because they can? >> one thing we learned, a great advantage if your brother and your dad were president. you know ate of people are going to fund-raisers for jeb bush ambassadors, appointed by either george w. bush or george h.w. bush. a built-in advantage and taking advantage of that. second thing, though a lot of these fund-raisers are happening in new york city and that area. that is bad for chris christie. it suggests people who live near governor christie who know governor christie well are deciding to endorse jeb bush instead. not a good sign for chris christie. >> aushtll right. talk about that especially factoring in scott walker. you talk about the growing discontent those loyal to clinton and the democratic strategists who backed and helped the president in 2008 here. with that tug and war and back and forth, who's going to win that? >> the person who wins is hillary clinton in the end. gets to pick who she wants. what's happening now there are these -- there's one family and one political operation, hillary clinton's. that is going to dominate the party. right? for ten years, if she runs if she wins and runs again. and that organization is going to control the consulting and contracts the appointments. everybody wants in on that now. you're seeing jostling and fighting for position to be a part of her campaign and her broader campaign of the super pacs and the outside groups. >> all right. well, you know perry talking about the strengths of jeb bush among donors some like scott walker and chris christie doesn't have. what about talking about, interesting, being in new york and pulling away from the chris christie money. what are the other strengths? >> the other story is going on now is that all of the candidates are trying to figure out how do i get more donor support and high-level staffers to support them. you're seeing in the early stages at least is that scott walker is getting a lot of support in high-level people in the party. they're excited about him. jeb has some support. people are trying to evaluate. not sure about rubio, if he'll run or not and chris christie having challenges. i talked to a guy last night in 2012 actually flew from iowa to new jersey to beg christie to run for president. this same person now said christie? not that sure about him. not skateexcited about him. christie is having challenges. >> not a good thing when anybody cessna tosays nah, to anybody. >>> we extend our condolences to you, the "new york times," columnist there with david carr collapsing. in fact in the newsroom talking than when you heard the news ironically at a party with other "new york times" colleagues. >> a real gut punch. soul of the newsroom. beloved as a writer sort of a figure and defender of the paper and our values. it's a real sad day for us. >> we extend our condolences. a tough week it's been. talking about that ned colt bob simon, just a really tough one that hopefully we'll all get through. thank you both. good to have your discussion. >>> and we go to a break here a little more on the life of the "new york times" david carr. carr most recently known for his monday column "the media equation" about television, publishing and social media. carr quickly moved through the ranks in napes s papers of minnesota and new york and washington, d.c. throughout his life he beat addiction and also cancer. david carr was 58 years old. sunday dinners at my house... it's a full day for me, and i love it. but when i started having back pain my sister had to come help. i don't like asking for help. i took tylenol but i had to take six pills to get through the day. so my daughter brought over some aleve. it's just two pills, all day! and now, i'm back! aleve. two pills. all day strong, all day long. and now introducing aleve pm for a better am. 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nbc's charles hadlock is live. certainly a big day yesterday. what can you tell us about that and what we are expecting today? >> reporter: it was a big day yesterday, francis, good morning. yesterday the jurors heard video and listened to conversation between a police detective and eddie ray routh, sitting in his truck outside his home. the judge will not let us play that video or let us play that audio from the video, but what he says could be described as bizarre by most people. eddie ray routh said he was surrounded by voodoo and anarchy. said he was living hell on earth. i think i'm going insane he told the detective at one point. now, all of that goes to prove according to the defense that eddie ray routh was insane at the time of the murders. the prosecution will point to the chase video, say wait a minute that looks like a guilty man knew what he did was wrong and was trying to get away. what's coming next we believe the texas ranger who interviewed eddie ray routh at the police station is coming up next. we know that from opening arguments that detective will tell us about the conversation and we will hear eddie ray routh admit that he knew that what he did was wrong. testimony continues today, the trial is expected to last another two weeks, francis. >> and certainly that is significant because when it comes to these insanity defenses, it really hinges on whether he knew, had consciousness of what he did was wrong, correct? >> reporter: right, right. the prosecution has to prove that he had the intent and that he knew that what he was doing was wrong. now, if he is found guilty he is going to get automatic life in prison without parole. if he is found not guilty by reason of insanity he still could spend the rest of his life in a mental hospital. >> all right. charles hadlock. thank you very much for that report this morning. >>> now to the dangerous cold and another blizzard getting ready to pommel new england again. let's get the latest from nbc meteorologist bill karins. bill, this is even more than a one, two punch, it is like a full on beating when it comes to this weather. >> i am realizing i have to go out to the car soon. >> look at the people there in new england and what they're going through. >> it is horrible. everyone has their own story to tell, especially the people in areas of eastern and coastal new england. this is going to be quite the event sunday and monday. currently it is bad enough. the wind chill is negative 16 negative 13, sun is out, not making a lick of difference. with this arctic air mass over the top with strong gusty winds. when you see our friends in jacksonville this time of morning, even after the sun is up wind chill of 30. and mardi gras taking place in new orleans with wind chill of 32. not fun. talk about the worst of it. dangerous part is when blizzard conditions hit come late saturday night and all day sunday right along coastal new england. that's who has best chances of seeing heavy snow with the winds. i think almost everybody in the northeast from maine to delaware is going to get 50 to 60 miles per hour gusts, that could cause problems by itself. snow totals will be highest, down east maine, coastal main three to four feet on the ground. could add another foot on top of that, it will be blowing around so much. boston, add another ten inches or so. less in areas like albany hudson valley to new york city. but it is winds that i am most concerned with. winds are strong enough to see downed branches on dying trees, maybe a couple of pine trees here and there. talking 70 miles per hour gusts along the immediate coast. if you have 70 miles per hour gusts, high tide at 7:30 sunday morning, you get large waves and freezing spray. remember pictures from the blizzard two weeks ago, this time you will get storage and freezing spray will coat houses and anything in its path it will be so cold with the storm. and francis, we are not going to get horrible snow in areas like philadelphia, new jersey delaware, but winds could still be 50 to 60 miles per hour. we could have scattered power outages. what do you do with your family lose power, zero to 10 degrees out, you can't stay in the house, you have to go somewhere. that's going to happen to people this weekend. >> really will be dangerous. hopefully everybody stays safe. on the lighter side you, weather man, go to your car, turn on the key, hopefully stay nice and warm. >> i think i will survive. i'll let you know. >> all right, weather man. >>> time to switch gears, moving overseas as we are learning more about an assault in western iraq carried out by islamic state terrorists. nbc learned that isis fighters wearing suicide vests tried to mount an attack against a base home to about 400 marines, but were killed by iraqi troops guarding the base. andrea mitchell has more. >> the u.s. is hitting francis with more air strikes as the terror group is advancing toward an iraqi base used by u.s. military advicers. this as parents of americans held hostage by isis say the u.s. is not doing enough to find their children including paying ransom if needed. the last known american hostage in syria, award winning free-lance journalist austin tice. law student, former marine kidnapped two-and-a-half years ago. u.s. officials and his parents believe not held by isis. his parents want the administration to do more to find him. >> what we really want our government to do is to engage in a dialogue with the syrian government, you know how can we have this fantastic state department and global diplomacy if we are not speaking. >> there needs to be someone made accountable directly for the safe return of hostages you know. we think someone reporting directly to the president. >> there has been no ransom demand from austin's captors, his parents' frustration echoes other hostage families after diane and john foley's son was beheaded by isis last fall they say the government said it would be illegal to pay ransom for their son. president obama told buzz feed he will not change that policy. >> what we don't want to do is make other american citizens riper targets for the actions of organization like this. >> the white house refused prisoner trade for kayla mueller. they wanted to trade a convicted terrorist, known as lady al qaeda, for their daughter. the white house wouldn't. and mueller's boyfriend even went back into syria to try to rescue her but failed. now he posted a picture of her on his facebook page writing i'm sorry i didn't hold on to you with so much strength that even god couldn't take you away. the president ordered a review of the hostage policy but says paying ransom would only encourage more hostage taking. that's a tough message for grieving families. francis? >> andrea mitchell, thank you very much for that. you can see andrea mitchell reports at noon eastern, here on msnbcing is actually getting worse ahead of this weekend's cease-fire deadline clashes have broken out around a railroad hub connecting cities to the eastern ukraine. the ukrainian military reports nearly a dozen soldiers killed in the last 24 hours. the cease-fire is set to take place one minute after midnight saturday night, but it remains to be seen if the violence will actually stop. >>> up next what president obama has called america's challenge of the century, cyber security. he is heading to silicon valley to address the threats facing everyone using the internet or any online services and we are there live with more details. >>> and a controversial proposal in puerto rico. should parents be fined if their children are obese? that hot button issue and more on a jam packed second hour of "the rundown." at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like mute buttons equal danger. ...that sound good? not being on this phone call sounds good. it's not muted. was that

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msnbc contributor jonathan capehart, a columnist with "the washington post." also, ben dominic, senior fellow at the heartland institute, analyst joan walsh. msnbc contributor and professor at the university of texas's center for mexican-american studies. jonathan, let me start with you. obviously, extremely inflammatory the way that rudy giuliani brought this up this week, and that is sort of from a political standpoint, that's the beginning and the end of this. it's tough to win an argument when you start with does the president love the country or not. but when he starts defending himself and he starts trying to explain what he's saying he's saying basically it seems at the heart of this that he thinks president obama thinks about, looks at and talks about america in a way that is different than past presidents reagan clinton, carter he names there. do you think there's anything to that, the idea that he talks and thinks about america differently than previous presidents have? >> no. rudy giuliani is lying. and anyone who's been paying attention to barack obama since he wowed the democratic convention in 2004 knows how much the president loves this country. from the moment he ripped into our consciousness during that speech, he made it clear that only in america could his story be possible. he's been saying that since he's been president. so rudy giuliani is trying to run in quickstand in this. and the thing that i find most disturbing is that no republican of any stature whatsoever has come forth and condemned him or at least pushed rudy giuliani to either get off the airwaves with this line of argument or force him to apologize. you know rudy giuliani is mentioning reverend jeremiah wright. president obama, when he was a candidate, had to give an entire speech on race because of something his former pastor said in a sermon where he wasn't even present. so for rudy giuliani to continue to go down this road i think tarnishes him. i think josh earnest is absolutely right. it's sad and pa tekt but it also tarnishes the republican party even further. >> let me ask you, ben, about that. what's your reaction to what he said, to how republicans have handled it? >> no no. >> speak for all of that. >> so the other day, steve, i was watching one of the better musicals about the 1888 election, the one and only genuine original family band. >> there's more than one? >> yes. and you have the grover cleveland backers on one side and the beennjamin harrison backers on the other side and it's very similar agendas. when one side says it it's dismissed as politics. when the other side says it it's oh, no, that's statesmanship. i think when you see both parties come to this issue, they're just espouseing views that's most conforming to their vision of what america ought to be. president obama ran explicitly on transforming the way the country was viewed in the world because of those aspects of america that he wanted to be appreciated. giuliani has his vision of america that i think is very different from the president's. >> when the other one says the other one doesn't love -- >> i heard mitt romney didn't love the country because of his investments and. >> i don't think anybody said that about mitt romney. i think it's different when giuliani goes around and says this president doesn't love america. first of all, he's uttering the president. we've seen this since he became president. second of all, i find it amazing, as jonathan does that no one has stepped up -- this guy is becoming -- he's a donald trump -- can i just finish? i didn't jump in on you. he's the donald trump of this cycle. and now scott walker has taken a page from mitt romney, and he won't -- his language is almost identical. i don't condemn or condone. they can defend themselves. >> scott walker wouldn't really weigh in on this anyway. we did hear mar roeco rubio say there's no doubt president obama loves the country. there's been some nuance. >> rudy giuliani is digging his own grave. he has cast himself in the palin, trump wing of the republican party. there's that one moment when we thought hey, maybe he's a different type of republican. he's progressive on social issues. but you know what? he has become irrelevant. no one has to come out in his defense because he is putting himself away. >> has he changed, ben? giuliani who was mayor of new york i remember he was sort of the liberal giuliani the national republicans didn't like him. this seems more like -- it seems he's farther to the right than we've ever really seen. >> i don't think of it something on an ideological spectrum. i think he has an opinion that's different than a lot of other people. i do think there's ways that politicians love the country in different ways. i think hillary clinton maybe thinks about america in different ways than the president does. now, that doesn't mean that he doesn't necessarily love it any less than she does. i just think that they think about its history in different ways. >> certainly if you're going to talk about it as a politician though, saying that the other one doesn't love it boy, that gets you into trouble. jonathan jonathan, i'll give you the last word on this one. >> well, you know, look. i hope at some point someone other than marco rubio will come forward and say that can we all just start at the baseline that everyone who's sitting in the -- the person sitting in the oval office and all the people who are going to run to replace him in 2016 2017 all love the country. and then let's take the discussion and the argument from there. to say that the president doesn't love the country and then to defend yourself saying that what i said wasn't racist because he was raised by white grandparents and had a white mother only compounds the offense that rudy giuliani has made. >> "the washington post's" jonathan capehart appreciate it. >> thanks, steve. >>> still to come today, want to know how cold it's been without having to actually go outside? 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it says the country -- it says yes, apparently it looks that way. police calls are down in memphis. major crimes have plunged in boston. boston with about 20 feet of snow right now. new york city just celebrated 12 days in a row without a murderer the longest stretch since 1994. research from 30 years of data shows that crime decreases as everything goes down when the temperature drops. right? nobody wants to leave or do anything. >> i don't know how you guys function. in texas this week there was a cold snap. the high was 40 degrees. and i didn't want to get out of bed. how do people function? >> and yet you came to new york. >> and yet i came to new york. that's how much i love you, steve, okay? >> that is very nice of you. we turned the heat up a little bit for you. one more headline this morning. this is from fox sports. this is joe walsh, the baseball thing might be interesting. this mlb and union announce a pace of play rules change for next year. so hitters have to keep a foot in the batter's box between pitches. pitching changes are timed. managers have to make instant replay challenges from the dugout. joan, the goal here is to cut the average length of a game from three hours and eight minutes to what three hours and two minutes? >> exactly. they tried this -- i'm agnostic about it. i don't think it's a terrible idea, but they tried this in the arizona fall league. it cut an average of ten minutes from games. so they go from you know a little over three to a little under three. that's still really long. i like that -- i like the replay. i think we saw a lot of bad calls overturned. but there is that element of stalling and waiting for your guy, you know and we had shawn dunston, san francisco giants were successful. we knew who the guy was and what he was doing. and the manager, bruce bochy, is out there killing time with the umps talking to his coaches, waiting for that guy to watch it maybe the tenth time and say okay, make the challenge, or don't. that did burn up the time. >> and this is why i could never -- of all the major sports, baseball is at the bottom of my list. you go through a 3 1/2-hour game, and guess what? there's 161 more. if you want me do a 3 1/2-hour game, give me the nfl. 161 more of these, folks. >> you need to be alone with your thoughts and take in the big picture more, steve. we're going to a game. >> okay. we'll go to one game. shrink the season to one month. that's my goal. >>> still ahead this morning, why one congresswoman says she is giving up on washington. see if that's the start of a trend. we will talk to her later on. >>> and next blinded by the light. why chris christie's confidence is reportedly getting him in trouble for a presidential bid. stay with us. the future of the market is never clear. but at t. rowe price we can help guide your retirement savings. our experience is one reason 100% of our retirement funds beat their 10-year lipper averages. so wherever your long-term goals take you we can help you feel confident. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to read and consider carefully before investing. call us or your advisor. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. ring ring! progresso! i can't believe i'm eating bacon and rich creamy cheese before my sister's wedding well it's only 100 calories, so you'll be ready for that dress uh-huh... you don't love the dress? 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"new york times" detailing many complaints of republican donors and strategist saying christie doesn't return their phone calls, he arrives late for meetings. christie, they report quote, is convinced that his raw talent and charisma can overcome the political obstacles in his way. meanwhile, perry bacon jr. getting word of the governor's donor troubles last week. "washington post" reporting another report of a prominent to jeb bush. he's a longtime ally of the bush family. amid all of this came word this week that new york jets' owner woody johnson, he's viewed as a kingmaker for potential republican nominees that he is also going to be backing jeb bush. and he attended a fund-raiser, in fact, for bush on wednesday night. jeb bush appeared to make the first move toward a white house bid last month. the clock started ticking for everyone else to get busy and cultivate the same pool of top donors. but is christie getting squeezed out before this race officially starts? robert costa, national political reporter with "the washington post" joins the panel this morning from washington. robert you had interesting reporting this week on the struggles christie is facing now. here we are, in the middle of the invisible primary. these defections from his home state, donors having questions about him. how serious trouble is christie in right now in this process? >> it's early in the process, so i think governor christie could certainly come back. but you're a political junkie for new jersey. you know when tom kean sr., former governor state senator, christie's 2009 campaign chairman when their rueeluctance to sign up that spells trouble for christie. >> the reporting this week -- and this gets to something i have noticed about christie you know, this is a guy who is supreme confidence in his own skills to basically walk into any situation and change that situation to his favor. and i have seen him. in his defense, i've seen him go into hostile crowds in new jersey, college students during the iraq war and 45 minutes later these students loved him. i can see how he starts to believe that. is there more of a plan of saying the power of my personality is going to get me through this? >> he really believes his skills as a retail politician will enable him to eventually right with polls and voters. also the association network that he capitalized on last year raised millions and millions of dollars. not all of those donors will be with him. he thinks he's established enough of a national donor network. and you add that to his personality. he thinks bush may stumble. his people think bush may stumble, and they're not so sure if walker is going to continue to rocket ahead. >> we should say this was a response to all this reporting from christie's -- one of his top advisers. telling "the new york times," the fact is there is not a finite pool of donors. this on the word of new jersey donors may be defecting. also there was this an interesting tweet from "new york times" columnist saying the best time to run for president is almost always when lots of people are urging you to run for president, not the cycle after. basically making the case there that christie had his moment. >> he missed his moment. >> in 2011. >> and this wasn't it. >> this seems like delusional christie, there's not a finite pool of donors. there's lots of rich people. he needs one to get behind him and he could go far. tom keene sounding very much like he's going to go with bush. i know he said he's neutral right now. you know i think that his strength was that he was going to -- he was going to walk away with the wall street donors that he was right here a candidate of wall street he was the moderate. and when you have jeb bush rolling these people up so early, it really leaves very little room for him. >> but the republican primary voters, i've never bought the story that they're going to fall in love with chris christie. you bring that new jersey/tony soprano character down to the south, and it doesn't stick. i believe he never had a shot in the first place regardless of how much money he would have gotten. >> the path for christie was always narrow. unlike rudy giuliani who had sort of a similar experience, i think that the problem for him was always that he is so much about personality, it's the real thing that he has going for him as opposed to a record that he can point to as opposed to being able to ensure that he's going to appoint conservative judges or something like that to, you know help on some of his other weak points. he really only had that wall street money in terms of his backing, and i think that really creates a problem. >> what happens now? jeb bush has this huge behind-the-scenes push for money. when do we see a public move from christie? does he have an announcement of candidacy? is anything like that coming on the horizon? >> they make a great point, that for a lot of time christie's personality has been at the core of his political persona. but watch what christie does on tuesday. he has a major budget address in trenton trenton. he's going to return to pension reform. back in 2010 this is what made chris christie all these battles with the teachers over the pensions and for public employees. he's going to try to come back to that issue, make it his policy focus ahead of 2016. >> interesting you mention that because that's the other bit of news we should squeeze in. "the wall street journal" saying christie ramping up his activity back in new jersey. this is a governor who spent a lot of time out of the state. you say he has that speech tuesday. now a bunch of town halls. interesting potential sort of strategic shift. 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try new always discreet up to 40% thinner, for superior comfort. absorbs 2x more than you may need. no wonder more women already prefer new always discreet pads over poise. visit alwaysdiscreet.com for coupons and to learn more. >>> so america's coming back. we have risen from recession. we have the capacity to write our own future. we're better positioned than any other nation on earth. >> safe to say that president obama was in a pretty good mood when he spoke at yesterday's dnc winter meeting in washington. easy to be in a good mood when your approval rating is on the rise, the economy has created more than 1 million jobs in the past three months. the president accusing republicans of jumping on his populous message now that things are looking up a bit. for or month that and other things the president had to say in his speech i'm joined by former vermont governor howard dean, former chairman of the dnc. governor dean thanks for taking a few minutes this morning. it's interesting to listen to the president's speech yesterday in the context of this is the start of a presidential campaign to pick his successor, seems to be in a way sort of laying out the terms that he wants the 2016 debate to be contested over. >> yeah i think he's also protecting a legacy which is going to turn out not to be too bad at all. but the truth is, he's going to be eclipsed as soon as the campaign really gets going in earnest. and that's probably just as well. not because his numbers are going to be bad, because i think they're going to continue to get better, but because this is really about the new president, not about the president we've had. so i think this is sort of a booster speech. i think it's a good thing that he gave that speech. but i'm hoping that this election is not going to be about the past. it's going to be about the future. and i think that's what -- my suspicion is that's what hillary clinton is hoping too. >> i wonder from your standpoint, too, the democratic side looking at 2016 the republican line against the obama administration for most of his presidency has been about the economy, for understandable reasons. but now that there are signs that the economy is improving a little bit and at the same time there are more concerns i think, now about the president's leadership on foreign policy at least if you look at the polls on there. is there a concern among democrats that maybe this becomes a foreign policy election in a way that hurts them? >> it hope it does become a foreign policy election. there's nobody more capable in this country than hillary clinton in terms of foreign policy. so if it's a foreign policy election, we win. now, it's not going to be a foreign policy election. the truth is elections are almost never foreign policies. the iraq war did have a figure effect on george w. bush's presidency. vietnam had an enormous effect both on nixon and johnson. but generally speaking wars and foreign policy do not play very significant role in american elections at all. and, you know if the republicans want to make this about foreign policy, bring it on. because they don't have a single candidate that knows very much about foreign policy. and we have the person who probably knows more about foreign policy than anybody else in america who is qualified to run for president. >> well let me bring the panel in on this. alluding maybe to hillary clinton. i think that might be who he's talking about right there. that's the interesting subtext of this meeting. the democrats gathering and traditionally this would be the part where the future of potential candidates for 2016 and all their talking, this does seem like a party that's decided on hillary clinton. the big debate that emerged from the stories i'm reading, hillary supporters who say they don't want her to have an opponent and the supporters who say we do want her to have an opponent. >> right, the draft warren people, to be fair. but no and elizabeth warren is not running, as we discussed many times before. it looks like it will be hillary. whether people want her to have an opponent or not. >> so what kind of message do you think -- is it going to be a continuity message, we improve this country, this administration that i was part of improve this country over eight years and i want to continue it? or is it separating herself from that? >> i think she's got to do both. i think she can't separate herself too much and shouldn't be separating herself in any kind of coded way because then that pushs away the democratic base and the african-american base which still has some hurt feelings over some of her behavior in 2008. so she's got to be careful. there's not much to run away from. nonetheless, it's got to be about the future. it's got to be about a vision of the future. and figuring out what is going on with income inequality. the growth is not reading to rising incomes, and it hasn't for a long time. >> quick thought. >> it's not so much about running away from a legacy but running to this populous message because i think many democrats are nervous that she isn't left of center enough. that's why i think this speech was so important. it set up the context for her to be seen in that light. and you add in the recent meeting with elizabeth warren. >> i would agree with governor dean that it would be good for hillary have this be a foreign policy election. i think that the real problem is her ability to connect on issues of wage stagnation and the problems that people have had under this economy for so many years. there are worries related to the future about that. i think that's really the disconnect that may be a upon for her otherwise. >> my thanks as always former dnc chairman, former governor howard dean. another hour of news and politics straight ahead. stay with us. i have the worst cold with this runny nose. i better take something. dayquill cold and flu doesn't treat your runny nose. seriously? 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>> i mean, steve, i think that while those headlines were as you say, i am my own man and all about how bush is trying to differentiate himself, it was very difficult to tell on the merits where it was that he would break with his brother's foreign policy or with his father. i think that you're right, that the larger concern is you know back in 2008 president obama essentially came to office beca

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>> reporter: no, i think the u.s. is still in the lead but the reason i keep looking down at my phone is i think we have a developing story right now. you know that american woman, kayla mueller, who isis claimed a couple days ago had been killed. i'm just reading now, it says for immediate release that there has been a statement from her family confirming that she has died. if you don't mind let me read it to you. says from prescott arizona. carl and marsha mueller, parents of kayla jean mueller together with kayla's brother eric and his family today released the following statement. and it says quote, we are heartbroken to share that we have received confirmation that kayla jean mueller has lost her life. so this is obviously a terrible development for the family to learn and to announce. she had been held by isis since august, 2013 a humanitarian worker, 26 years old who was living here and working here in turkey then decided that she wanted to expand her work helping syrian refugees traveling into syria. she was volunteering at a hospital in aleppo province then was kidnapped by isis. isis hadn't made a lot of statements. we had known very little about her situation. the family had been keeping it close under wraps until a few days ago isis put out a series of photographs claiming that kayla had been killed by a coalition air strike and the family had been very cautious expressing hope she was still alive until moments ago this statement from the family saying we are sad to announce we have confirmation of her death. >> what a tragedy, richard, that this confirmation comes this morning. we had as you said heard so little about any communication that the family had with isis so little about proof of life even before isis claimed she died in one of these jordanian bombings. it is just so little information to go on such a tragedy as this news breaks this morning on "the rundown." she was last heard from alive by her family some time ago. been a long time since they had proof she was alive, right, richard? >> reporter: there had been some private communications between the family through intermediaries with isis. there had been talk perhaps of a ransom. isis as you know has been very keen to ransom western hostages in the past especially european hostages. they had been getting between 3 and 5 million euros per european hostage. and that's been an important source of cash for isis. when they have found americans or british residents, they have been executing them because the u.k. and the united states are unwilling to pay ransoms to isis, but we hadn't heard about her, which gave some hope that perhaps some sort of deal a prisoner swap a ransom some sort of arrangement could be made, and that was one of the reasons that the family was so insistent that the media remain silent about her case. frankly we and other news organizations have known her name and status for a long time but at the family's request, had been keeping that discrete. and then when isis put out a few days ago this release saying she had been killed by an air strike, obviously things escalated. the family agreed to release her name and just a few minutes ago saying in fact she had been killed. there may be more to this statement, if you will allow me to look here. the statement coming from the family saying kayla was a compassionate and devoted humanitarian, she dedicated the whole of her young life to helping those in need of freedom, justice and peace. in a letter to her father on his birthday in 2011 kayla wrote, quote, i find god in the suffering eyes reflected in mine. if this is how you are revealed to me this is how i will forever seek you. so the family putting out a carefully worded very emotional statement not only confirming that they have information that she, in fact lost her life in syria but also painting a picture of her character as someone who was dedicated to humanitarian works who found her, according to the statement, spiritual fulfillment in the eyes of those she was helping. >> stay with me. i want to bring in a senior analyst with life point global partners. thank you for being with us on a sad and tragic moment. >> indeed. >> when we learn and confirmation, the white house also confirming that she has died. tell me about why in this case it was handled in a different way by isis. in the past they put out proof of life videos, they had actually hostages saying their lives are in danger unless there's this or this or this. in her case very little information. >> look, there may have been secret talks, underground, under the table between the family intermediaries and isis trying to negotiate possible ransom. the other point of that is that isis did not explain to the international community why it kept miss mueller hostage, but i believe i think ransom was the goal here. it did not succeed with other american hostages. the united states refused to negotiate the release, and i feel that isis felt it has leverage with this lady over the american journalists. >> and i want to read because part of the release the family put out a little while ago includes this letter they received from her while she was still in captivity. we're going to of course have more on this throughout the program, and here on msnbc says in this letter is if you are receiving this letter it means that i am still detained but my cell mates have been released. i asked them to contact you and send you this letter. she goes on about how important it is to have god. i remember mom always telling me all in all in the end the only one you really have is god. i have come to a place in experience where in every sense of the word i have surrendered myself to our creator because literally there is no one else. talk to me about why isis would deal with her case differently, why isis would continue the suffering of an innocent family for months on end, threatening if any information is released they would kill her, and why is it that in her case this happened the way it did? >> look i think isis in the case of hostages, we talked about ransom besides ransom kidnapping western hostages aims at having western countries that refuse to negotiate kneel to its will to submit. tried to do with the jordanian pilot and the journalists

i don't know what msnbc political analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee michael steele and in washington pulitzer prize winning columnist and msnbc eugene robinson. good to have you guys onboard. all right. the "wall street journal," chris christie's vaccine stumble. this isn't the first time christie has given comfort to those who spread vaccine misinformation or suggest vaccine requirements are aan abuse of government power. in a 2009 letter to potential voters he said he had met with families affected by autism. many of whom had expressed their concern over new jersey's highest in the nation vaccine mandate mandates. i stand with him now and will stand with them as their governor in their fight for greater parental involvement in vaccination decisions that affect their children. the real public health problem isn't a lack of parental choice but a lack of common sense about vaccines and politicians should do more to promote the latter. >> michael steele a couple -- oh at "wall street journal" editorial. bad day yesterday for chris christie and rand paul, wouldn't you say? >> yes. the vast majority of parents and science. >> sci

msnbc has their own subnetwork if you will. >> they started to talk about it on air. you are seeing abc and cbs mention it on air, too. i think what you get from msnbc obviously more sympathy. that's understandable. even though there are some legitimate issues and real scrutiny there is sadness. larry king tweeted this all makes me sad. i keep hearing that word a lot. even though i have to say at the same time there are some questions here real issues about credibility. so you can be sad and yet believe there are some real problems he has told over the years. >> for nbc to take him off the air would be a huge move. they're winning in the ratings. ratings are our currency. when you are winning, you are very reluctant to ever make a move. abc was gaining on them a little bit. the demo and total viewers. brian williams wins every fight. >> the day he apologizes he's been criticized about a half apology. the day he apologized for his errors i was going to write how he is doing better lately. he is solidly winning the key demographic the tv people live and die by. he was coming back he was in a strong position for the ratings. >> the truth is he is not a