. >> i used to term non-traditional mortgages because it was easier to mtm rather than talking about a sub-prime mortgage and an altlifealt-a mortgage. a sub-prime mortgage is simple because it was defined in 2001 and they said any mortgage made to a person who has a credit score of 660 i think, it is called a fico score, but if your score is 660 or less that is a subprime mortgage no matter what you might say about the house. what kind of house how big the down payment was and so forth. it is sub-prime if below 660. if if data shows that is much more laky to fail. there is an alt-a mortgage and that phrase came from the fact that agencies which were fannie mae and freddie mac, called in the market agencies would not except mortgages that had low down payments below 10% for example, were not mortgages that paid or only required interest payments. they didn't decline in the -- they didn't make principal payments as part of the mortgages. they would not accept those mortgages before 1992. it was only after 1992 they began to accept those mortgages. so i lumped them both together and th