secretary gates this morning you added more detail i think to the, admiral mu len you did too to thede we'll begin this transition in july of 2011. and i'm maginally struck that you refer to it's a transfer of security responsibility and you also say that it will be very much like what we did in iraq. international security forces provided over watch. first aá the tactical level and then at the strategic level. secretary gates am i cjq(u in concluding what will definitely begin in july of 2011, is a transfer of security responsibility to the afghans, but may not include immediately a withdrawal of forces from afghanistan? >> that is correct. i think that as we turn over more districts and more provinces to afghan security control, much as we did with the provincial iraqi control, that there will be a thinning of our forces and a gradual drop down. i would remind folks here, since this is the second surge i have been up here defending, that the surge in iraq lasted 14 months. january 2007 to march 2008, and frankly, it was pretty apparent to the taliban, or to our adversaries in iraq,

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