muammar gadhafi was in power 42 years. i think it's very hard to say what triggered the arab spring but certainly huge influence was the american invasion of iraq in 2003. that represented a scrambling to have the chess board. hussein khairan wasaddam husseir almost as long as gadhafi. the american invasion in iraq brought about what was possible in the region. could the regimes pass and what would take their place. >> rose: we conclude with a conversation about virtual reality in jeremy bailenson's stanford virtual human interaction lab. >> people will be able to do anything you can fathom, experience something wonderful, horrible at the touch of a button and the brain is going to treat that as if it were a real experience. in other words, humans have been around for a very long time. we have not yet evolved, the brain hasn't, to really understand the difference between a compelling virtual reality experience and an actual one. >> rose: and how is it we can do this? >> from a technological standpoint, we've likely seen a

muammar gadhafi was in power 42 years.d to say what triggered the arab spring but certainly huge influence was the american invasion of iraq in 2003. that represented a scrambling to have the chess

muammar gaddafi, four or five months before the invasion of iraq happened. i asked him if the american invasion went forward, who would benefit. and moammar can duffy, he -- moammar gadhafi, he had this aura of like a philosopher king. question,ed him that his answer was instantaneous. "oh some of bin laden, -- "oh osama bin laden, he will benefit. most prescienthe things that has ever been said about the american invasion in iraq. kay is in missouri, and independent. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i believe we live in a fractured land ourselves in the united states. if you are familiar at all with the daily life of being poor and elderly or poor and any age in a rural, small-town america, we need three things for the m people here to wake up -- for the young people here to wake up to a different life tomorrow. that is we need national public health care with special provision for the elderly so that families are not pulverized when their elderly need care. free, asducation to be was called for by you know who. and because these young people are not even having access to education. because they are in dead-end jobs. the reason they go into the milita

muammar gaddafi, four or five months before the invasion of iraq happened. i asked him if the american invasion went forward, who would benefit. and moammar can duffy, he -- moammar gadhafihe had this aura of like a philosopher king. question,ed him that his answer was instantaneous. "oh some of bin laden, -- "oh osama bin laden, he will benefit. most prescienthe things that has ever been said about the american invasion in iraq. kay is in missouri, and independent. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i believe we live in a fractured land ourselves in the united states. if you are familiar at all with the daily life of being poor and elderly or poor and any age in a rural, small-town america, we need three things for the m people here to wake up -- for the young people here to wake up to a different life tomorrow. that is we need national public health care with special provision for the elderly so that families are not pulverized when their elderly need care. free, asducation to be was called for by you know who. and because these young people are not even having access to education. because they are in dead-end jobs. the reason they go into the military