mubarak, you have to step down, and he did what the military told him. as a matter of fact, the military have been in power for more than 50 years, so that was a product of the military. so the military will be in charge of egypt's security and a lot of other factors in egypt in the future. my guess is that the military leaders don't want to give up their political influence or power, but they have seen what the demonstrators have done, and i think the demands of the demonstrators will not permit the military to keep charge to of the political situation. they'll still be in charge of military, they'll still have a lot of financial investments in the various aspects of egyptian life, but i don't have any doubt that the demonstrators will not accept anything except honest and fair and open elections with the formation of political parties permitted for the first time, and maybe a competitive election both for the parliament of egypt and, also, for the presidency. as you know, yesterday, i believe, the military junta dissolved the parliament which was elect

mubarak, you have to step down, and he did what the military told him. as a matter of fact, the military have been in power for more than 50 years, so that was a product of the military. so the military will be in charge of egypt's security and a lot of other factors in egypt in the future. my guess is that the military leaders don't want to give up their political influence or power, but they have seen what the demonstrators have done, and i think the demands of the demonstrators will not permit the military to keep charge of the political situation. they'll still be in charge of military, they'll still have a lot of financial investments in the various aspects of egyptian life, but i don't have any doubt that the demonstrators will not accept anything except honest and fair and open elections with the formation of political parties permitted for the first time, and maybe a competitive election both for the parliament of egypt and, also, for the presidency. as you know, yesterday, i believe, the military junta dissolved the parliament which was elected

that is when mubarak responded very angrily. i would say in general that obama has handed egypt very well. about the same i i would have done it if i have been in office. i probably would've been loyal at the beginning. the u.s. does not want to send signals that we will abandon you the first time. we had to show our friends and allies. that we will back you as long as you understand freedom and democracy. once it became clear that he would not do so, we did the right thing and giving our support completely to the revolutionaries. they did not want or need american support. they did not want to be branded as being controlled from washington's. they wanted the world to know that it was a self originating effort for freedom and they did not depend on washington to let them be successful. mr. updegrove: more broadly, mr. president, how do you think obama has done since stepping into office in january 2009? pres. carter: oh, i think he's done the best he could in domestic affairs. dealing with problems that president johnson and i a

i consider that completely unacceptable differential and yes you serve and you can hear me, my mubarak himself girlfriend, him. all right, well that is going to do for me for now. but do stay with us here on archie international. my colleague union o'neill will be in next in about half an hour with more news by the time after dinner time. so you're welcome back to going underground broadcasting around the world from the you a.

yes, you know, they got rid of mubarak, but they didn't build. they didn't build the organization. the folks with the organization with the muslim brothers. so they walked in with the goodies and see how they built. they might have been able to hold on to what they achieved. so that's where structure a critical role to play. but structure can be oppressive. that structure can also be empowering. and i think that's the challenge of that kind of structure. so let me just paraphrase you mean there's this concept of building outside of electoral campaigns. i mean, like permanent organizing, a shocking notion. i know it's really shocking or out of, you know, out of mobilizing campaigns. i you know, it's been so much of that. and then we wonder, why hasn't it won? yeah, well, they're not building. they're just, you know, it's like change and continuity. you know, in the navy, they have regular assignments and then you have battle stations. well, see, a campaign is like battle stations, it's like your your intent, your ability. but are you building now? if the answer is just another campa