>> and siding with mubarek here. the problem here is what you have is a great muslim awakening all across that world. some 48 countries have a muslim majority or a huge muslim minority. and it is the sunnies i think who are on the move. and you have a great conflict. 17million christians between egypt and iran. or afghanistan. all of them are in danger, john. intolerance is the mark of a rising faith. >> how many weeks are we from thweeks until the presidential election but of course we're taping this show. >> do you think any of this is connected with the presidential election? if in fact there is a syrian massacre of cops, et cetera, copts. >> if it is a syrian massacre, it will not be the regime, it will be by the fighters over there and i don't think that will happen before november at all. >> because we have been slow, if that is the right word, judiciously slow, some would say, in assisting the reform, the so-called reformers. >> i don't think that -- >> the syrian dictator is protecting the christians. and he

and at some point he has to look at what has happened to mubarek, to qaddafi, to -- >> i try to put myself in his shoes. and the options don't look very good. if there is an exit policy for him to go out, where would he go? now, there are different arguments outside, you know, some people say well he has gotten to a point where he wouldn't be allowed to leave because of crimes against the state. >> rose: war crimes. >> warrimes. there is a thought out there if it stops continued violence then, you know, the lesser of all evils. i think his mentality again is, you know, if -- and again, there is -- i have a feeling that if he -- if he can't rule greater syria, then maybe an alawite enclave is plan b and that is something that needs to be considered, because if that happens. >> rose: that is an option you think for him to be bart of an alawite -- >> that would be, i think, for us th the worst case scenario because that means the breakup of greater syria, and that means that everybody starts land grabbing which makes no sense to me and if syria then implodes on itself, that would create probl