economic reform going on in the number rec an his last decade, and the question i have is if mubarek could listen to us and people like me were sent in as envoys from time to time when i worked at the white house or the state department to go to mubarek and say you should try to open up a little bit politically, if you don't, if you make the alternative tightly controlled version of you or the islamists it is one dang going to be the islamists and mubarek would dismiss us and would not even open even slightly, i don't even know if a project of moderate reform might have worked then all i know is what we have in most of these countries is worse and could get a lot worse. >> obviously, king abdullah is trying to do that, is it too late? >> wrong it is too late but he needs help and the fact that president obama was just over there, he has been just over to washington tells you that it needs a lot of attention, the refugee flows are enormous so he needs help managing that, but let's be honest, at the end of the day, how would it i put it, our influence is no not as great our interests.