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barr hold his press conference about mueller without mueller or anybody on mueller's team, that's a huge red flag. i mean, barr's initial decision within 48 hours of receiving mueller's report in the first praise that he would release his own exculpatory summary of what he said are mueller's conclusions despite the fact that mueller prepared his own summary of his own work intended for public release. that was a red flag big enough to use as a bed sheet. but now on top of all of that, tonight the "new york times" reports this. ahead of whatever is going to happen tomorrow, the "new york times" reports that barr has already given the white house access to mueller's report before it has been shown to congress or before any version of it has been shown to the public. they've already been talking it through with the white house. the "new york times" reports tonight quote, justice department officials have had numerous conversations with white house lawyers about the conclusions made by robert mueller, the special counsel in recent days according to people with knowledge of the discussions. t
barr hold his press conference about mueller without mueller or anybody on mueller's team, that's a huge red flag. i mean, barr's initial decision within 48 hours of receiving mueller's report in the first praise that he would release his own exculpatory summary of what he said are mueller's conclusions despite the fact that mueller prepared his own summary of his own work intended for public release. that was a red flag big enough to use as a bed sheet. but now on top of all of that, tonight...
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that's one reason we wanted the mueller report, we still want the mueller report in its entirety, andwant other evidence too. >> democrats are dismissing the evidence of attorney general barr and demanding to hear directly from the man who authored the report, bob mueller. already setting the wheels in motion, jerry nadler. >> i have formally requested that special counsel mueller testify before the house judiciary committee as soon as possible so we can get some answers to these critical questions. because we clearly can't believe what attorney general barr tells us. >> democrats are not stopping there as cnn's manu raju tells us, they're gearing up for a fight. >> reporter: good morning, christine and boris. house democrats are planning to pursue their investigations on multiple fronts. there will be a full-court press to demand the full mueller report, the unredacted mueller report, including the grand jury information that democrats have been asking for but the justice department so far not willing to turn over. expect subpoenas that could come out as soon as friday. at the same t
that's one reason we wanted the mueller report, we still want the mueller report in its entirety, andwant other evidence too. >> democrats are dismissing the evidence of attorney general barr and demanding to hear directly from the man who authored the report, bob mueller. already setting the wheels in motion, jerry nadler. >> i have formally requested that special counsel mueller testify before the house judiciary committee as soon as possible so we can get some answers to these...
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mueller is the special counsel. mueller's view of the rules are, you can't charge a sitting president. that's what the rules say. i'm reading from page 2 of this section. fairness counsel is you have to be careful when, quote, no charges can be brought. if the roles were reversed, and mueller were the attorney general, as a thought experiment, would he come to the same conclusion? in other words, is the point that these are the rules, not which role you have? >> yeah. in fact, i think if robert mueller thought he could reach a conclusion, it appears to me, his conclusion may very well have been to charge obstruction of justice. he sets out these ten episodes, and the only thing preventing him from recommending charges are the fact that he believes he cannot incite a sitting president. >> you put it so sis sinuccincs you sometimes do. you're saying, the reason there is so much specific obstruction evidence against the president, combined with an explanation that you never charge a president, is bob mueller's way of s
mueller is the special counsel. mueller's view of the rules are, you can't charge a sitting president. that's what the rules say. i'm reading from page 2 of this section. fairness counsel is you have to be careful when, quote, no charges can be brought. if the roles were reversed, and mueller were the attorney general, as a thought experiment, would he come to the same conclusion? in other words, is the point that these are the rules, not which role you have? >> yeah. in fact, i think if...
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left out of the mueller report.he mueller report. so in this commercial we see two travelers at a comfort inn with a glow around them, so people watching will be like, "wow, maybe i'll glow too if i book direct at choicehotels.com". who glows? just say, badda book. badda boom. book now at choicehotels.com i had nomine...ms of hepatitis c. ...caused liver damage. epclusa treats all main types of chronic hep c. whatever your type, ask your doctor if epclusa is your kind of cure. i had the common type. mine was rare. epclusa has a 98% overall cure rate. i just found out about my hepatitis c. i knew for years. epclusa is only one pill, once a day, taken with or without food for 12 weeks. before starting epclusa, your doctor will test if you have had hepatitis b, which may flare up and could cause serious liver problems during and after treatment. tell your doctor if you have had hepatitis b other liver or kidney problems, hiv or other medical conditions... ...and all medicines you take, including herbal supplements. tak
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mueller was appointed back in 2017.he report says this when then attorney general jeff sessions told the president that a special counsel had been appointed the president slumped back in his chair and said, oh, my god, this is terrible. this is the end of my presidency. i'm effed. >> leading democrats in the house not showing any new appetite for impeachment now that they have seen the redacted mueller report. house majority leader steny hoyer saying based on what we have seen to date, going forward on impeachment is not worthwhile at this point. very frankly there is an election in 18 months and the american people will make a judgment. conscious of just how hard it would be to persuade 2/3 of the republican controlled senate to vote to remove president trump. >> the evidence would have to be quite overwhelm and demonstratable and such that it would generate bipartisan support for the idea that it renders the president unfit for office. many of us think the president is unfit for office but unless there's a bipartisan
mueller was appointed back in 2017.he report says this when then attorney general jeff sessions told the president that a special counsel had been appointed the president slumped back in his chair and said, oh, my god, this is terrible. this is the end of my presidency. i'm effed. >> leading democrats in the house not showing any new appetite for impeachment now that they have seen the redacted mueller report. house majority leader steny hoyer saying based on what we have seen to date,...
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i want to go through this mueller cites mueller report. a series of unsuccessful actions that the president took to try to influence the election, including then-white house counsel don mcgahn telling him to have mueller removed in 2017. here's what the report says, mcgahn recalled that the president called him at home twice and on both occasions directed him to call rosenstein and say that he had conflicts that precluded him from serving as special counsel. mcgahn recalled him telling him, mueller has to go and call me back when you do it. in january of 2018, "the new york times" reported that the president had ordered mcgahn to fire mueller after the mueller report, it says after the story broke, the president threw his personal counsel deny that he had been directed to remove the special counsel. each time he was approached, mcgahn responded that he would not refute the accounts because they were accurate in reporting on the effort to have the special counsel removed. here's what the president said when asked whether he ever tried to fi
i want to go through this mueller cites mueller report. a series of unsuccessful actions that the president took to try to influence the election, including then-white house counsel don mcgahn telling him to have mueller removed in 2017. here's what the report says, mcgahn recalled that the president called him at home twice and on both occasions directed him to call rosenstein and say that he had conflicts that precluded him from serving as special counsel. mcgahn recalled him telling him,...
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this is a summary of what mueller said and no, you can't see what mueller actually said. i'm going to hold a press conference telling you what to think about it. you can't see for yourself what it is so you can come to your own conclusions. he likes how this is going to be portrayed down the line when he's written about attorney general in a long line of them. presumably the only person he's writing for is the president himself and why he feels like that's the man he needs to please here, that's for him to say. >> we are now less than 12 hours from hearing from the attorney general. so where does the investigation of the president of the united states stand tonight? tonight? as the breaking news about the release of the redacted version of the mueller report has been cascading this evening, news upon news. that's the question i answer at the end of this hour. the question of where do we stand tonight after we deal with all this breaking news happening earlier in the hour. now, it may seem like the end of a story because it appears to be the end of the mueller investigatio
this is a summary of what mueller said and no, you can't see what mueller actually said. i'm going to hold a press conference telling you what to think about it. you can't see for yourself what it is so you can come to your own conclusions. he likes how this is going to be portrayed down the line when he's written about attorney general in a long line of them. presumably the only person he's writing for is the president himself and why he feels like that's the man he needs to please here,...
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mueller, i was shocked at the possibly of leaks from the mueller investigation.s leaks all the time. i'm sorry for my fellow citizens most of whom russia is not number one or 2 on their list of concerns, the russia investigation, they will be living with this except in a worse way. rob: six democratic teachers preparing to launch an investigation to determine whether the president obstructed justice. time for you to weigh in. what do you hope to see with this investigation going forward? send your comments on facebook, twitter, instagram, send us an email, everyone will share your responses in the next hour, we want to see what should congress do? jillian: 10 minutes until the top of the hour. the media melting down over the mueller report. >> i find william barr's behavior inappropriate. he is defending the president. >> we see a reduction. >> is this what i am seeing? rob: at the press conference and the decision to not charge obstruction. are those criticisms fair? we debate next. - in a crossfit gym, we're really engaged with who we are as people and making e
mueller, i was shocked at the possibly of leaks from the mueller investigation.s leaks all the time. i'm sorry for my fellow citizens most of whom russia is not number one or 2 on their list of concerns, the russia investigation, they will be living with this except in a worse way. rob: six democratic teachers preparing to launch an investigation to determine whether the president obstructed justice. time for you to weigh in. what do you hope to see with this investigation going forward? send...
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and so donald trump fired robert mueller. and robert mueller stayed on the job. william barr knew that that passage was in the mueller report when he told us yesterday thatond cooperated fully with the mueller investigation. today it was congress' turn to be directly insulted by william barr. democratic congressional leaders immediately turned down barr's offer to them that they alone be able to see some of the redacted material in the mueller report. the chairman of the house judiciary committee which has jurisdiction over impeachment immediately and correctly according to all congressional precedent refused. >> i've been invited to read the less redacted version of the report on condition that we take no notes and tell nobody about what we read. what's the point of that? congress is a collective body. and if i read something and i can't tell the other committee members about it or the other members of congress, it's useless. that's frankly it's insulting to congress. we will work to have an accommodation with the attorney general. but in terms of seeing the res
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the first post-mueller report subpoena of a major mueller witness, this is mueller's star witness, don jerry nadler calling him to testify before the house. mcgahn's interviews with the special counsel cited 157 times in the mueller report as mcgahn detailed some of the most damning efforts of trump's efforts to crack down on the probe. he is now being compared with nixon's famous white house counsel who famously broke with nixon during watergate. mueller recounts mcgahn was afraid that trump's demands to fire mueller would be a massacre like nixon when the special prosecutor was ousted. that was the beginning of the end of nixon's presidency. to discuss this white house counsel's unique role in the mueller probe and beyond, i turn to kathy ruemmler, white house council to president obama. she also in all of this represented a mueller witness, george nader. thank you so much for being here. >> thanks, ari. it's great to be here. >> when you read the account of don mcgahn's time in the white house, was that similar, normal like your time? >> absolutely not, no. >> do you ever recall tel
the first post-mueller report subpoena of a major mueller witness, this is mueller's star witness, don jerry nadler calling him to testify before the house. mcgahn's interviews with the special counsel cited 157 times in the mueller report as mcgahn detailed some of the most damning efforts of trump's efforts to crack down on the probe. he is now being compared with nixon's famous white house counsel who famously broke with nixon during watergate. mueller recounts mcgahn was afraid that trump's...
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mueller did say to barr that he thought that was not, it did not accurately convey all the sense of the report and suggested later in the follow-up call that mueller should release the executive summaries of the report. what justice officials tell me is what is similar to what the attorney general said publicly about this. number one, he could not release the executive summaries because at the top of every page and you see it if you look in the mueller report, this may contain grand jury information which can't be disclosed legally. he said to the special counsel staff, i can't tell what the grand jury material is and secondly, his concern was that he didn't want to release the report piece meal. that was his response and of course we know now that we have all seen the report and we can judge for ourselves whether the attorney general accurately characterized it in the letter or not. he didn't think his letter was accurate. >> what about the argument that he's thought the context was delivered wr
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did mueller want congress to decide this? did mueller know the a.g. was going to clear the president himself? and you heard the a.g. say that mueller didn't indicate the purpose was to leave this to congress, but he added, i hope that wasn't his view, but he acknowledged he didn't know what the view was. >> reporter: kind of amazing that the two of them had not coordinated this coming into it. i think it is also clear, though, that there is a divide between robert mueller and the attorney general on the issue of obstruction of justice. and you even heard william barr talk about the fact that he did not agree with some of the legal theories that robert mueller was using. clear when up read the report that mueller thinks that there was evidence of obstruction, specifically on particular instances. barr made it clear he looks at it all, he does not think there's obstruction. >> that was the first view of a potential break between the two. >> reporter: absolutely. >> dan, thank you. >>> the president and his legal team tonight calling it a total victory f
did mueller want congress to decide this? did mueller know the a.g. was going to clear the president himself? and you heard the a.g. say that mueller didn't indicate the purpose was to leave this to congress, but he added, i hope that wasn't his view, but he acknowledged he didn't know what the view was. >> reporter: kind of amazing that the two of them had not coordinated this coming into it. i think it is also clear, though, that there is a divide between robert mueller and the attorney...
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the full mueller report. release the full mueller report. >> senator richard bloomenthal speaking in washington today at one of the several hundred protests that happened around the country today. this afternoon and this evening, protests calling for the release of the mueller report. 13 days now since it was completed by robert mueller and handed in to the office of trump's newly appointed attorney general, and it hasn't been seen since. there were protests today in washington, d.c. there were protests in new york city. good-sized protest in new york city. there were protests in chicago and philadelphia and raleigh, north carolina, and albuquerque, new mexico. protests from denver to boston, to st. paul, minnesota, to langhorn, pennsylvania. and it's interesting these are not policy protests. this is not an interest group fighting for more attention to its cause, which is sometimes what you see in coordinated nationwide protests where people protest in hundred of different sites. what these protests were abo
the full mueller report. release the full mueller report. >> senator richard bloomenthal speaking in washington today at one of the several hundred protests that happened around the country today. this afternoon and this evening, protests calling for the release of the mueller report. 13 days now since it was completed by robert mueller and handed in to the office of trump's newly appointed attorney general, and it hasn't been seen since. there were protests today in washington, d.c....
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ten actions that mueller says the president took to hurt and end the mueller probe. sara murray is outfront. >> attorney general william barr mafd li pave cleared the president of the obstruction. >> i concluded that the evidence developed by the special counsel is not sufficient to establish that the president committed an obstruction of justice offense. >> but special counsel robert mueller, he clearly refused to do so writing in his more than 400 page report, the president's actions and intent presents difficult issues that prevent us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred. mueller's report covers in pains taking detail a potentially dachling list of at least ten ways trump repeatedly tried to curtail the investigation. mueller writes that the president was only unsuccessful because the people around him declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests. like june 17th, 2017 when trump directed don mcgahn to have to have mueller fired. mcgahn declined to do so saying he would resign rather than trigger what he would regarded as a pote
ten actions that mueller says the president took to hurt and end the mueller probe. sara murray is outfront. >> attorney general william barr mafd li pave cleared the president of the obstruction. >> i concluded that the evidence developed by the special counsel is not sufficient to establish that the president committed an obstruction of justice offense. >> but special counsel robert mueller, he clearly refused to do so writing in his more than 400 page report, the...
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mueller's investigators say, mueller's investigators have told. when is the last time you saw reporting like that? you haven't seen reporting like that before. one of the other implications of this reporting tonight is that whatever william barr is trying to do with mueller's report, it appears to be rubbing robert mueller and his team the wrong way. and for the first time in this whole two-year process, they appear to be willing to squawk to make some public noise to make sure their findings are not abused or mischaracterized or submarined. maybe there will be now a new voice in this whole process from mueller and his team themselves. they've been silent throughout this entire process. now we're starting to hear from them. joining us now is neal katyal, former acting solicitor general in the obama administration. he is the author of the justice department regulations that define the office of special counsel. neal, it's great to have you here tonight. thanks for joining us on short notice. >> thanks, rachel. >> let me just ask you, i know you've
mueller's investigators say, mueller's investigators have told. when is the last time you saw reporting like that? you haven't seen reporting like that before. one of the other implications of this reporting tonight is that whatever william barr is trying to do with mueller's report, it appears to be rubbing robert mueller and his team the wrong way. and for the first time in this whole two-year process, they appear to be willing to squawk to make some public noise to make sure their findings...
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report and what we knew prior to the mueller report.ut that fully needs to be exposed. and i think we can continue to do our oversight through the various committees. it doesn't have to be done through an investigation as part of an impeachment. so, again, my conclusion, consistent with what you're hearing from our leadership is, without the bipartisan consensus that would make it successful in the senate, there's little to be gained by putting the country through that wrenching experience. >> basically you agree with steny hoyer, the majority leader in the house of representatives, at least right now. don't start the house judiciary committee with impeachment proceedings. move on to some other issues but continue your overall investigation. >> wolf, i -- >> go ahead. >> i want to make one thing perfectly clear as well. and that is that it is not sufficient for the justice department to maintain that you can't indict a sitting president. and we're not going to share with you the grand jury material that may be necessary for you to consi
report and what we knew prior to the mueller report.ut that fully needs to be exposed. and i think we can continue to do our oversight through the various committees. it doesn't have to be done through an investigation as part of an impeachment. so, again, my conclusion, consistent with what you're hearing from our leadership is, without the bipartisan consensus that would make it successful in the senate, there's little to be gained by putting the country through that wrenching experience....
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the mueller report will tell us. if the trump campaign did participate in the knowing dissemination of the hacked emails that were part of the russian interference, then i think by any reasonable analysis, they knew of, benefited from and rewarded russian interference in the election. that's the underlying conduct we need to focus on. >> frank figlusi joining us. you've been involved in your fair share. this is the first time i can remember, this was almost a victim impact statement in advance talking about the feelings and emotions of the subject of the investigation. >> so i realize we're in unprecedented territory here. if your viewers are wondering whether this is normalcy, out in the field, in an average field office in the fbi, u.s. attorney's office or district out where they live, the answer is no. there are no standards for such a thing in terms of this kind of press conference. let me start with a positive observation because then it's going to go downhill. the positive observation is that we heard the a.g.
the mueller report will tell us. if the trump campaign did participate in the knowing dissemination of the hacked emails that were part of the russian interference, then i think by any reasonable analysis, they knew of, benefited from and rewarded russian interference in the election. that's the underlying conduct we need to focus on. >> frank figlusi joining us. you've been involved in your fair share. this is the first time i can remember, this was almost a victim impact statement in...
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mueller marshals the evidence. and why trump's defenses don't stand up. >> do you think that's the only reason he didn't take the next step for recommending a charge on that was because of the olc guidelines? >> that was my read. my read is that if donald trump or the attorney general of the united states, rather than the president of the united states, he would have already been indicted. >> you also, max, in your "washington post" opinion column, you say the report does not absolve the trump campaign of collusion. >> right. >> that's, i mean, that's -- >> barr was being highly deceptive there because, in fact, he said no collusion repeatedly. when you actually read the report, mueller specifically says we did not consider the issue of collusion. >> right. it's conspiracy. >> in terms of collusion, the mueller report finds numerous contacts between the trump campaign and the russians. it finds that donald trump knew in advance about the release of wikileaks documents, and it shows that there was a -- there was, in
mueller marshals the evidence. and why trump's defenses don't stand up. >> do you think that's the only reason he didn't take the next step for recommending a charge on that was because of the olc guidelines? >> that was my read. my read is that if donald trump or the attorney general of the united states, rather than the president of the united states, he would have already been indicted. >> you also, max, in your "washington post" opinion column, you say the report...
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you can see from mueller's report, who cares what word we use, mueller was investigating the president of the united states personally and he had a lot, a lot of evidence about all these obstruckive episodes. so clearly rosenstein is trying to calm the president by getting him attached to this bureaucratic jargon that at the end of the day doesn't mean much. i'm sure defenders would say that's so he would lay off the probe. his detractors would say he knew this was the way it was going to go and it was rigged in some way. >> jeremy bash joins us by phone. if you take matt's excellent reporting and mash it up against the result, the word he just used, rigged, you can't help but ask the question. we're not making that allegation, nobody is. it certainly calls into question, if rod rosenstein assured the president at the end of september 2018, that he, as the man -- the one man overseeing the plumueller probe his office was the one office at main doj through which any information from robert mueller flowed. and that went on for days and weeks before robert mueller finished interviewing wi
you can see from mueller's report, who cares what word we use, mueller was investigating the president of the united states personally and he had a lot, a lot of evidence about all these obstruckive episodes. so clearly rosenstein is trying to calm the president by getting him attached to this bureaucratic jargon that at the end of the day doesn't mean much. i'm sure defenders would say that's so he would lay off the probe. his detractors would say he knew this was the way it was going to go...
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this is the mueller report by the numbers.n 30, that's the number of times president trump used phrases like i don't recall or i don't remember of i have no recollection in his official responses to the special counsel's questions to the russia probe. next, 36, that's how many pages all of the mueller report redactions would fill, 8% of the 448 page report. next, at least five, that's the number of times the report says president trump asked senior aides to lie either for him or for the administration. also five, that's the number of hours it took russian hackers to target hillary clinton after they heard trump say this after the trump campaign. 203. that's how many times the report mentions cnn, "the new york times," "the washington post," and nbc. the implication, robert mueller was leaning pretty hard on what trump likes to call the take news media for his definitive report. eleven, that's the number of instances of possible obstruction of justice allegedly perpetrated by trump and his associates, as examined by mueller, in
this is the mueller report by the numbers.n 30, that's the number of times president trump used phrases like i don't recall or i don't remember of i have no recollection in his official responses to the special counsel's questions to the russia probe. next, 36, that's how many pages all of the mueller report redactions would fill, 8% of the 448 page report. next, at least five, that's the number of times the report says president trump asked senior aides to lie either for him or for the...
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do you know why mueller didn't take it? >> i don't know why mueller didn't take it.he way the process would work is it's the attorney general's kind of decision on what to tell congress and maybe mueller as we've talked ability. he's so by the book. he's so chain of command. he figures bill barr is my friends, a justice department veteran. he will handle this, it's handled in a way mueller feels is the wrong way. he has to interject. i'm speculating. i don't know why mueller declines that opportunity. >> one final question, matt. when he takes issue, do you know any specifics of the specific things he felt were mischaracterized? was it all obstruction? on how collusion was characterized or do you know any of those specifics? >> yeah. so for him personally, we don't know what's beyond the lettered and what we've reported in our story. before this, we had reporteding that members of his team were frustrated. particularly with the characterization on obstruction. they felt the case they laid out there was so much more damaging and compelling than mueller couldn't make a
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that is something that appears, according to the redacted mueller report, that mueller did not dive into. there is a lot to investigate there going forward so expect more investigative activity and a fight in court over the full mueller report. >> are you hearing from democrats on capitol hill concerned about the scope of further investigations, the length of them, how many they're there are going to be in terms of the upcoming election and what impact it may have on democrats? >> reporter: yes, definitely. democrats are trying to be judicial and there are a lot of things to look into and they believe they can walk and chew gum at the same time but there are some that with worried about the push to look into virtually everything which is why you're seeing that divide play out over the -- the debate over impeachment with some on the left saying it is time to go forward and others worry this is a fruitless attempt that republicans would capitalize on and help the president at the ballot box. so those divisions are tarpting to play out but democrats believe they're on firm political ground
that is something that appears, according to the redacted mueller report, that mueller did not dive into. there is a lot to investigate there going forward so expect more investigative activity and a fight in court over the full mueller report. >> are you hearing from democrats on capitol hill concerned about the scope of further investigations, the length of them, how many they're there are going to be in terms of the upcoming election and what impact it may have on democrats? >>...
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because the reality is, the mueller report, not just the mueller report for the mueller investigationdestroyed all of the predictions and hopes about what it would result in an what it would find. and that is why there is now the is this almost monomaniacal focus on the obstruction part of this story at the expense of the collusion part. let me set couple of things. this six nation on his legalistic -- this fixation on the report and cleaning a finding we did not establish something does not mean it did not happen or doesn't mean there is the evidence for it. irrational.ibly let me give you an example. i can conduct an investigation and come back and they, my investigation did not establish that there are martians who are controlling all of our thoughts and all of our actions using mind control methods. that would be true. i would conduct an investigation, the evidence would not establish that, but he would be true. i would add just because i did not find evidence to establish that does not meet a did not happen. that is because you cannot prove a negative. that is what mueller saying
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the evidence robert mueller uncovered, the report revealing the president wanted robert mueller fired. and who he wanted to do it. and tonight, why did robert mueller stop short on obstruction of justice? pierre thomas and dan abrams standing by. >>> president trump's response tonight. >> no collusion, no obstruction. >> this evening, what the mueller report reveals. was the president saved a number of times by members of his own team who refused to do what he asked? jon karl live at the white house. >>> and tonight, democrats erupting in anger, demanding robert mueller testify before the american people. mary bruce on the hill. >>> also badwa as ome on r. already a number of reported tornadoes. the severe storm threat from new orleans all the way east. tonight, tomorrow, good friday and passover. and rob marciano has the track and timing tonight. >>> what caused the fire at the notre dame cathedral? tonight, what we have just learned. >>> here in new york city, the scare inside st. patrick's cathedral. what authorities have now veale. >>> the major change tonight for anyone taking an
the evidence robert mueller uncovered, the report revealing the president wanted robert mueller fired. and who he wanted to do it. and tonight, why did robert mueller stop short on obstruction of justice? pierre thomas and dan abrams standing by. >>> president trump's response tonight. >> no collusion, no obstruction. >> this evening, what the mueller report reveals. was the president saved a number of times by members of his own team who refused to do what he asked? jon...
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just what mueller did conclude.else was missing and whether there was an invitation to the attorney general to make the determination that they ultimately made which was not to move forward with an obstruction charge understanding there are guidelines a sitting president can't be indicted anyhow. that will be interesting to democrats on capitol hill. presumably republicans who would take a look at the actions while the president is in office. and whether it would constitute an impeachable offense. and why that bar wasn't met by mueller and why mueller ultimately failed to draw a conclusion. there is so much about what mueller has and hasn't done. how he's conducted himself. whether he'll testify later on about the report or leave the report where it's at and the original question, too, of why not subpoena the president to have gotten closer to the answer of what his intent was or was not >> here is the republican rebuttal. this should mollify democrats a little bit. this is from doug collins. the only person trying
just what mueller did conclude.else was missing and whether there was an invitation to the attorney general to make the determination that they ultimately made which was not to move forward with an obstruction charge understanding there are guidelines a sitting president can't be indicted anyhow. that will be interesting to democrats on capitol hill. presumably republicans who would take a look at the actions while the president is in office. and whether it would constitute an impeachable...
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they were missing bob mueller and that's what i want your view on. 23 months in. no mueller. and this is what barr said when asked about it. >> was he invited to join you on the podium? why is he not here, this is his report you're talking about today. >> a report he did for me as the attorney general. >> well, not exactly. so the thing about the doj regs is what they say is the attorney general makes a decision about what will become public. once the attorney general said i'm going to make it all public except the grand jury material and whatever i have to remove because of on-going investigations or what would reveal methods or private information of individuals who need to be protected lawfully, once he said that there's absolutely nothing in regulations that say bob mueller can't get up there and talk about his report. that's not the way it works. what happened is william barr used his position as attorney general to keep bob mueller from answering questions so that he could put his spin on the report before the rest of us saw it. >> and melissa, this report which is so v
they were missing bob mueller and that's what i want your view on. 23 months in. no mueller. and this is what barr said when asked about it. >> was he invited to join you on the podium? why is he not here, this is his report you're talking about today. >> a report he did for me as the attorney general. >> well, not exactly. so the thing about the doj regs is what they say is the attorney general makes a decision about what will become public. once the attorney general said i'm...
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there were five barr appearances about the mueller report before we saw the mueller report. now that we've seen it, it's clear why. where are we? >> i agree with frank figliuzzi, a lot of questions raised, issues that need further investigation. there is clarity today we learned a lot. the first thing, it relates to the attorney general, i believe on the show last week when i said it was clear he was a political actor, and not an attorney general. it turns out he's not only that but he's a liar. we saw him say things that were not just spin or misrepresentations otmn the, margins but he said things that were untrue. the repeating of the refrain no collusion when the report goes to such an extent so say collusion is not a legal concept and because it's not a legal concept we reject it as way of thinking about this. here's the narrow terms of coordination and conspiracy which we were making our judgments. the fact he said, i thought when i first heard it, it was interesting this morning when he said that one of the reasons that he and rod rosenstein had determined that obstruc
there were five barr appearances about the mueller report before we saw the mueller report. now that we've seen it, it's clear why. where are we? >> i agree with frank figliuzzi, a lot of questions raised, issues that need further investigation. there is clarity today we learned a lot. the first thing, it relates to the attorney general, i believe on the show last week when i said it was clear he was a political actor, and not an attorney general. it turns out he's not only that but he's...
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let me repeat, mueller has to go. this is the kind of evidence that may be of more interest to congress than attorney general barr. this is the thing that every one remembers from nixon in the saturday night massacre because it happened. when you remember what we heard this morning and what i think is going to be an issue going forward, did donald trump have the intent to shut down the probe or not. this is the kind of evidence that cuts against donald trump. the idea that he took overt acts to tell people, quote, according to the mueller report, mueller has to go. >> don't move. i need you to stick around to participate in the questioning of our next guest. we have been joined by jay seculo who is on the president's legal team. counselor, thank you very much for joining us. my first question, i'm afraid will verge on plain english. where did the attorney general get off with that characterization this morning, including four mentions that there was no collusion? what document was he reading compared to the one we're
let me repeat, mueller has to go. this is the kind of evidence that may be of more interest to congress than attorney general barr. this is the thing that every one remembers from nixon in the saturday night massacre because it happened. when you remember what we heard this morning and what i think is going to be an issue going forward, did donald trump have the intent to shut down the probe or not. this is the kind of evidence that cuts against donald trump. the idea that he took overt acts to...
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to follow mueller. he didn't know what to do the next time he would get pressure from president trump. mcgahn decides to resign. this is the environment we're in in this white house with a very conservative, very loyal republican white house counsel. he then has to call his personal lawyer. mueller says he calls his personal lawyer and then his chief of staff. then he drives to the white house and quote packs his belongings to submit his resignation all to try to avoid in what he thought might be a crime of obstructing and firing mueller. mcgahn spoke with the president and he talks about he understood this direct ef and mcgahn says he has to quit because this would be akin to the saturday night massacre that contributed to the end of the nixon presiden presidency. he calls his lawyer. i'll read on more of this. mcgahn says he call and demanded they contact the department of justice and he avoids telling, this is very interesting. he avoids telling every one what donald trump asked him to do which is ev
to follow mueller. he didn't know what to do the next time he would get pressure from president trump. mcgahn decides to resign. this is the environment we're in in this white house with a very conservative, very loyal republican white house counsel. he then has to call his personal lawyer. mueller says he calls his personal lawyer and then his chief of staff. then he drives to the white house and quote packs his belongings to submit his resignation all to try to avoid in what he thought might...
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that's what mueller is. mueller is back with the test.able crimes and whether the president will or should be impeached, it's a picture of presidency. it's bob woodruff's book with quotes, right? any american should look at that and say, is this behavior, whatever threshold is reaches that i'm comfortable with, or that says, conveys a picture of a presidency. that's what disturbs me the most. so much of the media, so much of certainly conservative right wing media is just change the subject. move on. we've been through too much to simply change the subject and move on, regardless of where you come from on the political spectrum. >> one other observation. maggie haberman said this in a tweet. philip bump wrote a great piece making the same observation. we saw so much of this story unfold, is that when it finally landed, we knew a lot of the story. but up that haberman tweet, if you guys would. and the point is, what if -- no, not that one either -- what if it had come out -- there it is -- in one thud, and we hadn't known anything? >> that
that's what mueller is. mueller is back with the test.able crimes and whether the president will or should be impeached, it's a picture of presidency. it's bob woodruff's book with quotes, right? any american should look at that and say, is this behavior, whatever threshold is reaches that i'm comfortable with, or that says, conveys a picture of a presidency. that's what disturbs me the most. so much of the media, so much of certainly conservative right wing media is just change the subject....
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mueller. here's what the president said about it at the time. >> did you seek to fire robert mueller? >> fake news, folks. fake news. >> what's your message? >> typical "new york times" fake stories. >> not fake. true. the person dispensing with the person offering fake news, president trump. >> yeah, exactly. i mean, you know, the president threw a lot of these stories, not just this one, started calling them fake news. and here they are detailed, chapter and verse, in the mueller report. and again, i want to emphasis, these are people who were testifying under oath, not talking to journalists. where you don't have to take an oath. but testifying under oath, and even today, in the president's tweet, he's saying the same thing. he's saying it's total bs. these people, don mcgahn in particular, are lying. but when you look at the level of detail in the mueller report, where the president calls in don mcgahn and said i never said that to you, and don mcgahn says, yes, you did. you told me to cal
mueller. here's what the president said about it at the time. >> did you seek to fire robert mueller? >> fake news, folks. fake news. >> what's your message? >> typical "new york times" fake stories. >> not fake. true. the person dispensing with the person offering fake news, president trump. >> yeah, exactly. i mean, you know, the president threw a lot of these stories, not just this one, started calling them fake news. and here they are detailed,...
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mueller there. that has been confirmed by mueller's former spokesperson just this hour. and rachel notes, well before anyone will be allowed to access even barr's redacted version of mueller's findings. why? where's mueller? i put her simple questions to you. >> i think bob mueller is biding his time. what i'll say, ari, those of us who work for the department of justice i do not believe it will be in the public's interest to summarize the full report or release it in a piece meal fashion. that will be on defense and people overreacted to the initial letter. if as chairman nadler asserts that they do this press conference before releasing the report and mueller's folks say he's not there tomorrow, is that the right thing or what barr claimed he would not do. >> he is speaking out of both sides of his mouth. he is the consummate institutionalist and we heard so little from bob mueller and his team and his spokesperson and what did we hear tonight in the few words that statement as you put it, we are
mueller there. that has been confirmed by mueller's former spokesperson just this hour. and rachel notes, well before anyone will be allowed to access even barr's redacted version of mueller's findings. why? where's mueller? i put her simple questions to you. >> i think bob mueller is biding his time. what i'll say, ari, those of us who work for the department of justice i do not believe it will be in the public's interest to summarize the full report or release it in a piece meal...
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mueller report.he senate intelligence committee apparently alerted white house lawyers about the targets of the fbi's russia vision, way back in march of 2017, before then fbi director james comey revealed the investigation's existence at a house hearing. comey brestd intel committee and congressional leaders ahead of time. and a footnote says senator richard burr in turn briefed the white house counsel's office on the existence of four to five will targets, including the president's national security adviser michael flynn and his former campaign chairman paul manafort. wow and moscow weighing in on the mueller report. in a conference call the spokesman claims, emphasis on claims, the redacted report contained no new information or as peskov put it the any quote, reasoned evidence supporting the allegations of russia interference into the u.s. elections and peskov claims it confirms what he and putin has said all along. the u.s. secretary of state has a different idea. >> when i engage with the russi
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mueller is stuck with justice department guidelines that mueller couldn't be indicted, but drew a roadif you will, for the u.s. congress and a prominent democrat running for president is calling for impeachment. mueller describes how the president lied repeatedly and ordered those around him to do the same. how about huckabee sanders and her fish story. one republican senator responded with a blistering statement. i am sickened. this is a republican senator. i. sickened of the dishonesty of individuals in the highest office of the land, including the president. we have much more to get to tonight. stick with us. et to tonight. stick with us. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ safe drivers shouldnt have to pay as much for insurance... as not safe drivers! that's why esurance has drivesense.® the safer you drive, the more you save. although i'm not really driving right now that would be unsafe. when insurance is affordable, it's surprisingly painless. the latest inisn't just a store.ty it's a save more with a new kind of wireless network store. it's a look what your wifi can do now store. a get your questi
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fire robert mueller. this just kept coming up and aggravating the president more and more. and i think robert mueller included that in his report so we can see the president's frame of mind. that gets me to my third big takeaway and that is how little of the president's frame of mind this white house provided to special counsel, his office because they go through how they waited for over a year, back and forths with the president's lawyer to try to get a sit-down interview. they refused and then the questions that they got back, the written answers to those questions, were so sparse. over 30 times said he did not recall or did not remember, did not have an independent recollection of certain events. that shows, again, that the attorney general is not giving us the substance of this report which he said contradictly that this white house had coordinated and given over everything and they fully cooperated with the investigation. >> all right. julia ainsley, well done from outside the justice department. i w
fire robert mueller. this just kept coming up and aggravating the president more and more. and i think robert mueller included that in his report so we can see the president's frame of mind. that gets me to my third big takeaway and that is how little of the president's frame of mind this white house provided to special counsel, his office because they go through how they waited for over a year, back and forths with the president's lawyer to try to get a sit-down interview. they refused and...
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mueller interviewed about 500 witnesses, except for one they wanted. they didn't get to talk to the president in person, and that hampered mueller's ability to prove intent. first and foremost, we urge everyone to read the report, as much as you can of it. it lays out in granular detail the russian interference in our 2016 presidential election, the many contacts made with many members of the trump campaign, it presents evidence the president repeatedly tried to disrupt the mueller investigation. the report lists ten different episodes of potential obstruction, but ultimately it concludes it was not mueller's role to determine whether trump broke the law. this morning, about 90 minutes before the report came out, attorney general william barr with deputy attorney general rod rosenstein at his side explained why they decided to make the call that the president committed no crime. >> after carefully reviewing the facts and legal theories outlined in the report and in consultation with the office of legal counsel and other department lawyers, the deputy a
mueller interviewed about 500 witnesses, except for one they wanted. they didn't get to talk to the president in person, and that hampered mueller's ability to prove intent. first and foremost, we urge everyone to read the report, as much as you can of it. it lays out in granular detail the russian interference in our 2016 presidential election, the many contacts made with many members of the trump campaign, it presents evidence the president repeatedly tried to disrupt the mueller...
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mueller argues that president trump's public acts can be considered obstruction and mueller seemed to kick the debate to congress saying they can still investigate and potentially find the president obstructed justice. another fascinating part of the obstruction investigation, mueller wrote the president's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the president declined to carry out orders or exceed to his requests. the report does detail a white house that is chaotic, and one where lying is almost a job requirement. we're also learning for the very first time about a number of events and conversations, including president trump when he was told about the appointment of a special counsel saying, quote, oh, my god, this is terrible. this is the end of my presidency. i'm f'd, except you can fill in a few more letters. why would the president be concerned if there was no conspiracy with russia? well, mueller says the evidence indicates the president was likely concerned that a thorough fbi investigation would un
mueller argues that president trump's public acts can be considered obstruction and mueller seemed to kick the debate to congress saying they can still investigate and potentially find the president obstructed justice. another fascinating part of the obstruction investigation, mueller wrote the president's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the president declined to carry out orders or exceed to his requests....
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mueller report. perhaps you are old enough to remember when it totally exonerated him. today he says the information fabricated, total b-s, now vowing to, quote, bring justice to some very sick and dangerous people. plus, on the night after, what are the most striking revelations in the mueller document? we have two former u.s. attorneys and two pulitzer prize winning journalists to tell us what they think has been underreported. and the parts of the mueller report that russia is studying and how it might provide a roadmap for other adversaries as "the 11th hour" gets under way on this friday night. ♪ >>> and good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 820 of the trump administration. the mueller report has now had a day to sink in, and whatever the president has been told about it, he doesn't seem to like it. the president had been claiming total exoneration because his attorney general had given him air cover to do so, but now that the report is out trump is going a
mueller report. perhaps you are old enough to remember when it totally exonerated him. today he says the information fabricated, total b-s, now vowing to, quote, bring justice to some very sick and dangerous people. plus, on the night after, what are the most striking revelations in the mueller document? we have two former u.s. attorneys and two pulitzer prize winning journalists to tell us what they think has been underreported. and the parts of the mueller report that russia is studying and...
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>> rudy: are not got about mueller. >> chris: who made mueller god, now you're declaring whether she was guilty or not. >> rudy: i'm saying there's a difference -- i'm just saying there's a difference -- i'm not saying she's guilty. the differences there is overwhelming evidence that you actually obstructed justice. she denied the investigators the information. nothing was denied to them. by the way, in the report they say they didn't have to question him because they had the answers to all the questions. write in the report. >> chris: they also see the answers were inadequate and they also said that to go through a subpoena was going to take a prolonged period of time. >> rudy: if my client has an unclear recollection, i'm not going to go stretch out for the prosecutor so the prosecutor can mail them -- >> chris: mayor giuliani -- >> rudy: like the one after that great general and ruin his life and bankrupted him. they should be ashamed of them selves. >> chris: mayor julie article thank you, thanks for sharing your holiday weekend with us. >> rudy: happy passover. >> chris: if you
>> rudy: are not got about mueller. >> chris: who made mueller god, now you're declaring whether she was guilty or not. >> rudy: i'm saying there's a difference -- i'm just saying there's a difference -- i'm not saying she's guilty. the differences there is overwhelming evidence that you actually obstructed justice. she denied the investigators the information. nothing was denied to them. by the way, in the report they say they didn't have to question him because they had the...
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we had the mueller report. should read t i know we don't like to tell everybody what to do here. if you don't read it, you'll have hours of frustration. once you do that, you have to decide. what do i want? that's what congress has to figure out. we have attorneys who took part in the impeachment process of president clinton. they're going to give us the perspective on where this should and can go, next. >>> so now what? we've got two house committees requesting that bob mueller testify after his report focused on ten episodes of potential obstruction. it was nowhere near as clear a situation as the attorney general made it seem. now, democrats have indicated that they are not looking to impeach president trump. others have said they are. others yet now have said we're going to look at it and see what happens. the question is, what will they do? does the behavior as laid out in the probe justify impeachment? did the political realities justify it? two great pieces of perspective. counsel to republicans on the h
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. >>> the breaking news tonight is that the mueller report is out. the investigation paints a portrait of a president convinced at one point his presidency was over. a campaign swimming in russians who were wishing to help get trump elected and the campaign hoping to benefit. the report outlines ten instances of potential obstruction by the president, singles out several aides who refused to carry out his orders, and we learned today the president now clearly has his man at the justice department as the attorney general publicly takes one for the team. >>> and for mueller's part, he's leaving it to congress to proceed from here as "the 11th hour" gets under way on this important thursday night. >>> well, good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 819 of this trump administration and this was a big one. we now have the redacted mueller report, weighing in at over 400 pages. we have learned a lot today. we learned, among other things, that the president finally has an attorney general who definitively has his back. we
. >>> the breaking news tonight is that the mueller report is out. the investigation paints a portrait of a president convinced at one point his presidency was over. a campaign swimming in russians who were wishing to help get trump elected and the campaign hoping to benefit. the report outlines ten instances of potential obstruction by the president, singles out several aides who refused to carry out his orders, and we learned today the president now clearly has his man at the justice...