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mueller report. that's my guess as to where this comes out. >> ron klain, thank you for comi coming on our broadcast.ys appreciate having you here. coming up for us -- >> thanks for having me. >> -- it happened on this network in response to what speaker pelosi said today. we'll play the moment for you when we continue. >>> do you hate the president, madam speaker? because -- >> i don't hate anybody. i was raised in a catholic house. we don't hate anybody, not anybody in the world. >> speaker pelosi's sudden rather stark words today drew an especially poignant response from one of our contributors on this network today. here is how it happened on the air. here is former republican strategist steve schmidt. >> it was an important movement because grievance in that shared sense of victimhood makes the trump car go. one of the things that's true in this country is that authoritarian movements historically have never caught on. if you want to look historically, say the high watermark in our country's history for authoritarianism might be the night where madison square garden was whacked in 1938 to the ra

ron brownstein, a senior. franchesca, an analyst. m moderates are frooelg feeling frustrated saying they don't want the mueller report to be part of itt will it be that it is a streamlined report that lays out articles of impeachment that pertain to ukraine? >> it's a big decision. the first point is, there are 31 house democrats in districts that trump carried in 2016 and the vast majority are going to be comfortable voting for articles of impeachment. in with bill clinton came out and why not approved. we don't know what party leaders are going to do. certainly if they do include the mueller report you would think members that had the opportunity to vote yea or nay, i think the big story is there is a solidified democratic majority to move this on. >> what's the message that the white house is sending by saying, no, you are not going to involve our counsel because in a letter saying they believe it's a charade? >> well, the white house has long said that they believe that, and to participate at this point they believe it would make the entire process look legitimized. they've argued it has not been fair to them thus far. the white

him do that before during the mueller report, but we need to all be on alert to understand how little this process will mean unless republicans come to the table like ron has suggested and agree to fair procedures. >> natasha, all of this is happening against the backdrop of rudy giuliani going out in public, giving these interviews, bizarre interviews, still pushing ahead with the investigation in ukraine that initially got the president in trouble in the first place. do you think at this point, and i know you've covered him extensively and you've covered the ukraine aspect of the impeachment trial extensively, is he a liability for the president with these constant interviews and statements he keeps saying that seems to make the situation worse, so much so you've got people like lindsey graham saying he needs to just put up or shut up? >> absolutely. if you speak to people close to the president, his aides in the white house, for example, they are horrified broadly by what rudy giuliani is doing. they consider him to be a big political liability for the president. the problem is the president sees rudy giuliani as kind of like a safety blanket. he ha

mueller, the leadership decided not to do this. they wanted it clean simple narrative. and do you think that is a decision they might end up regretting in parts for the reasons that ron justoned which is that we have clear and convincing and if a lot of cases undisputed evidence that the president obstructed justice but the house decided not to impeach that will have long-term ramifications in terms of the message they are saying to future presidents about what is acceptable conduct. >> and abuse of power and obstruction of congress. >> it was a political decision. i don't want to lose the so-called front liners, 31 -- >> 31 districts that trump carries. >> 31 members who didn't get elected saying they wanted to impeachment and didn't want to impeach after mueller and were nervous about this and i think nancy pelosi wants to return after the next election as speaker of the house. and so they decided to make it narrow. and, by the way, are you hearing a lot of complaints about that? >> no. >> i'm not. >> agree with gloria, the two articles were designed, wolf, for consensus. the speaker knows how to count votes. there are 231 democrats -- excuse me 431 and she needs 216 vo