mugabe is an autocrat. he has a group of people around him and he doesn't do stuff as a delegator when he wants opposition people -- he doesn't rush out there and put it out there himself but he lets it be known how he wants things to turn out to be the important thing about mugabe is that it's it drives me crazy to see the word anarchy in the zimbabwe in the same sentence. this isn't liberia or sierra leone with gangs of thugs running around with leaders. zimbabwe, everything happens for a reason. it's highly controlled. it's more fascist and he's been a topic for a very long time and he's a fantastically sophisticated leader in the way that he manipulates people. he has got none of his original comrades from the liberation war that have survived in the cabinet. they've either been fired or fall into disfavor. so everyone around him a post their jobs and they will bring him bad news. in that situation that is how this sort of pathology develops where his world view starts to get more and more remote from t

and that mugabe government has retained? >> and the party of education, health, and finances and spiraling out of control what has the international committee put forth? if you polices, only adversaries are the people these of the the international community those two handed off the zimbabwe conflict and then to say the point* man on zimbabwe and south africa has a great tie in the region would sort it out and they would do it to the community and the cessation not do a reform but in practice but then the important ones the zimbabwe broadcasting television and absolute complete monopoly from mugabe. you cannot have the independent radio stations. that was established on the basis that all of these things would be allowed. >> host: i have to push. it is striking in your book the situation is that people find themselves and telling of the father and his wife and his four year-old and his four months old. i am sorry. and he says i will run this way. you run that way to save your life of the mugabe forces closing in on their hom

"the fear" mugabe's actual vote collapse. we don't know what was because there was so much, the count was up there. for example, zimbabwe has the lowest lifespan in the world i think, it was down to i think 38 or 39. and yet on the electoral roll there were thousands and thousands of people were 110 years old. yet the figures are a figment. that's part of the product the people who counted them are also unreliable. on many, many added to that you enormous intimidation. for example, to go to a local government and say to him, you people in your area, if they don't vote for pierce then you won't get anymore this or that. he did that. he had reform when he said he would ask going to increase the number of polling station. so instead of three or four villages going to say molestation, and that way they didn't vote for mugabe you could always blame the other villages. but they would not just have one village and that would be to go to the village head and say, we know you are, you vote the right way. and you go to his people as th

and mugabe is an iconic figure whether you like him or not. for 30 years now he has been dominating the political stage to such an extent he sucks all the oxygen of the room which is why it is so difficult to figure out what will happen when he dies. he's 87. he's incredibly fit for 87 but even mugabe is it going to live forever, and the problem is he won't nominate a successor and that is often the case with autocrats. they don't want to discuss their own mortality and have evidence of it so whenever anyone in his own party starts to kind of look like they are going to succeed and talk like that he destabilizes them and the two or three people from within his party talks about success have blood on their hands and are the people in charge of the repression in the many years. once it is done it's not just -- i sometimes think that the international community's, the whole of their policies are wait for mugabe to die but i don't think that's really a policy. >> host: the other question that follows zimbabwe from of our but what goes on is who ar

crisis has to be solved and mugabe has to go. >> guest: even supportive of the opposition, however, the problem with that is they are one of three strands within the amc government now getting more and more restless with the amc come and defend openly discussing and debating the possibility that they might withdraw from the amc and set up themselves as an independent opposition party, which is of course exactly the genesis of the opposition in zimbabwe. it started and so i think the south african president feels very uncomfortable at the prospect of an mdc government in zimbabwe and would much rather try to figure out a way to reform from within or to find some technocrats to rule it which i don't think will happen. there's another problem which is a sort of systemic one which is of all the southern african nations that fought on the intercolonial war, litigation wars were you had political parties that then came into power, all of those parties who have a kind of liberation are still in power. amc in south africa and libya goes on to zimbabwe and mozambique and it's not in the inte

. >> at the colorful ceremony, there were high-profile visitors, robert mugabe and the recently elected nigerian president, good luck jonathan. there was a show of force on the ground and in the air. as if to rain on the president's parade, at the same time his political rival was welcomed home as a hero by thousands of cheering supporters. he had flown and after receiving medical treatment abroad. this is exactly what the government was trying to avoid, a massive show of support for the opposition leader on the very day that the president is swearing-in. this convoy is moving at a snail's pace along the road to camp call-up. the big question, how are the police and military going to respond to this show of support for the opposition leader on this day? it must have been quite embarrassing for the president, especially as the departing dignitaries had to drive through the crowds and what does the opposition leader support. he took more than six hours to travel 30 kilometers. the fact he could move suggested a change of heart from the police, who had crushed previous gatherings. the rest

we have the lunatics in north korea, we have mugabe.ysical force to reform every bad government in the world would exhaust us financially and be useless. >> do you see any evidence that the effort at nation building is working? >> none. >> we have seen vast sums of money. >> well, i think it's worse off than it was before. we are spending large amounts of money. again, with pakistan, and i agree with dana, he may be a little harsh on pakistan, but they clearly are not the support we need to do this. and by the way, when did nation building become our responsibility? we didn't go there to make kabul safe for the american civil liberties union. we went there to get a mass murderer. we have now killed th ed thaed murderer. and the notion that we would uproot every last terrorist there, even if we did -- >> the president says we'll begin the drawdown of troops this july. that's coming upon us very closely. you don't think we ever should have had the increase? >> the drawdown, you had this great discussion of opportunity. people need to unde

[laughter] it's reserved for people like gadhafi and robert mugabe, media. >> and we've taken steps lasteek. we've instituted sanctions against key members of his regime who have been carrying out some of these actions. we also raised the issue of human rights abuses and syria at the human rights council, which then, in turn, authorized a fact-finding mission to investigate these human rights abuses with the goal that serious -- that asad will be held accountable for his actions. >> the french president said today in an interview that he's considering putting sanctions against the president -- asad himself to read is the u.s. considering such actions? >> , i would just say many options remain before us. we obviously took action last week on people -- individuals we believed were the key actors in carrying out some of the regime's policies and actions against protesters. but other options remain on the table. >> well, when you say that asad should be held accountable for his actions, how? >> well, again, there are mechanisms in place. there are -- let's let this fact-finding -- >> in the