you're saying that manny pacquiao is a greater fighter than muhammad ali?d ali was essentially a one-handed fighter. manny pacquiao really shocks these fighters because he hits equally hard from the left side and the right side. >> simon: most boxers are born poor; manny was born hungry. he grew up in the unpaved alleys of a forlorn city called general santos. his single mother had six children to support. they often missed school to help her sell cigarettes in the streets. but like many youngsters determined to get out of these slums, manny would often disappear. he had a secret. when you started boxing, you didn't tell your mother you were starting boxing, did you? >> pacquiao: no. ( laughter ) she doesn't want me to box. >> simon: she didn't want you to box. >> pacquiao: yes. >> simon: she wanted him to be a priest, he wanted to play basketball. but basketball didn't bring in bread. boxing did. how much? >> pacquiao: 100 pesos. >> simon: a hundred pesos? >> pacquiao: this is equivalent to $2. >> simon: $2? $2 to box? >> pacquiao: yes, but... >> simon: an

you can do it. >> rose: muhammad ali, michael jordan, jack price. they have been on the most?s, they have. they are -- they were -- if you think about it the most dominant athletes in their sports, and of course mohammed was, you know, widely ranging across the culture with influences in many, many ways during all of those years. michael jordan is more complicated, i believe, as an athlete, because he could do anything and he was the threetd who was the only person cow would imagine was on the cover of sports illustrated in three different sports, made it in golf, of course basketball and then baseball, which is why he is not spoken with sports illustrated a number of years. >> rose: because what? >> they put him on the cover when he left basketball and went to play baseball. >> rose: michael would hold something against you? >> they dade cover called bag it, michael and he made an error zero in the outfield on baseball and he said, that is -- that is -- i am sad. and i am so sad, i don't want to talk to you guys ever again. >> and you can understand that. >> rose: you broke h

and they can watch that full interview with muhammad ali asghar in twenty minutes time. brazil's new president a dealer who set his promise to follow the path of her popular predecessor by making the fight against poverty and the one priority this white huge strides made in recent times many remain trapped by their circumstances people struggling to find work in cities and now coming up with their own ways to survive and feed their families during this to has this report. a simple life. tending your own garden. growing your own food is a simple life worth fighting for even if you've built it illegally six times they've tried to kick us off and together with the church and with some politicians we've been able to appeal standing your ground because another life one you've worked to escape is always in sight not far from where you toil these are the favelas they are the slums in brazil it's the way the majority of the poor live in this country and where here are just a stone's throw away on a settlement this is where a group of people now live off the land in a commune as

because i thought, muhammad ali is a muslim. kareem abdul jabar, who are you talking about? bad word. >> mike: you? a bad word? certainly not. >> on the air. that's when i knew i really had to get off stage. >> mike: i don't think we're going to have that kind of conversation today. you talk about a lot of some very personal things in your book. which i found interesting, one of which is, you kind of think that tsa is doing a good job, you may be the last person in america who is okay with that. >> yes, i do. i do think they're doing a good job. i think they get yelled at, streamed at, pushed, threatened, i mean that is a tough gig. that's a tough job. we as americans or english or whoever is flying we get to the airport, we know we're not supposed to have anything bigger than this with liquid in it. yet that's what we do. then you get up to the tsa person who is really just trying to keep us safe. and you scream at them treat them like garbage, i think it's wrong. >> mike: i'm with you on that whole heartedly especially people who go to the airport and then start thinking a

more thing to make us all hurt each other and it just, i couldn't handle it because i thought muhammad ali is a muslim. i mean, kareem abdul jabbar is a muslim. what are you talking about and then i said a bad word. you, whoopi goldberg. >> on the air and that's when i knew i really had to get off the stage. >> mike: oh, i don't think we're going to have that kind of conversation today. >> oh, not-- >> you talk a lot about some personal things in your book which i found interesting, one of which is, you kind of think the tsa's doing a good job and you may be the last person in america who says that. >> i do, i do think they're doing a good job and i think they get yelled at, screamed at, pushed, threatened. i mean, that is a tough gig. that's a tough job and we, as americans, or english or whoever is flying, we get to the airport, we know we're not supposed to have anything bigger than this, with liquid in it and yet, that's what we do and then you get up to the tsa person who is really just trying to keep us safe. >> mike: yeah. >> and you scream at them and treat them like garbage, i thi

. >> hey, icons like jackie robinson, muhammad ali, serena williams and michael jordan are synonymous a handful of courageous african-americans who paved the way for other athletes. >> say it loud, an illustrated history of the black athlete pays tribute to heroic african-american athletes and the author of the book joins us this morning. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> you thought thfts going to take you six weeks. it took you three years to put together this fascinating book of history. >> we did. i thought six weeks, i'm done. all wrapped up. give it to the publisher and three years later, here i am. >> so as we accept the michael jordan serena williams of the world, you look back and a lot of their personalities and success go back to people like zach johnson, even for those who don't box or like the sport. >> jack was such an outside character. there's been a lot written about him in documentaries but he was someone who just was -- was super talented and for the time he was living in, he pushed all barriers. he was a ferocious boxer. i think the ultimate, like, superstar

i mean, they do a better job of moving out of the corner than muhammad ali ever could have in his prime. and the focus here is on two things: earmarks, eliminate them all and boy, you probably saved the equivalent of three drops in the ocean when you look at spending; and a freeze on all discretionary domestic spending back to the 2008 levels, which if ever took hold, would last only until the next hurricane or oil spill or other disaster. and i see you're going to see a public backlash anyhow. the antipathy towards washington basically has a lot of people thinking that you could just cut out waste, fraud and abuse of these idiots in washington have done. none of us would ever noticing and deficits would melt away. when he get to specifics, it doesn't quite work that way. and if you start by saying you're going to be eliminate the cutbacks and the growth of medicare, it doesn't take you very far. so, you've got to be a case that did about that. but just in order, too, tea party, and i think just even looking ahead as we speculate, we may be setting things up for what could make the most

that song ♪ there's a reason i'll tell you why ♪ ♪ i'm six foot one ♪ i got more clothes than muhammad ali that's what i like. that's what i like. >> when does the song start? when does the melody and the lyric make love? when does that happen? >> it's happening. >> oh my -- ♪ >> i'm sorry, it's just me. >> all righty, apparently you're seeing a lot of these around. >> we have to do -- >> i'm going to. >> what do you have going on? >> is this how it's supposed to work? >> yes, go. go on. >> okay. is it okay to cry when kicked off a reality show? i said -- >> kathie lee says why not? >> hoda said of course it's okay to cry. don't worry the 15 minutes of fame isn't all it is cracked up to be. >> what do you have around your neck? >> i don't know. i just work here. >> it's a necklace. >> went to see a funny play yesterday. he's coming on our show tomorrow. brendan frazier will be here. i have no idea what it's about. it's about these two guys who are released from an insane asylum. in my estimation, it's too soon to be released from the insane asylum. it's his debut. he's terrific in it. ever

muhammad ali thought since he was a muslim, he could go over and talk khomeini into letting the hostages come home, but he was not able to get there either. so the algerians were the ones that finally did the intermediary. but even that last three days we had $12 billion of iranian money held, and every message that went back and forth left in if english, got over there it was translated into -- >> farsi. >> no, parsi eventually in -- >> arabic in algeria. >> and, iffrench. so we had three-way negotiations. and we were talking about the intricacies of money and $2.2 billion in gold bouillon located in 12 different nations. so you can see the complexity of it. and so i finally got the hostages out, and we still held $12 billion in iranian money. and the idea was, the agreement was that all the claims that americans had against iran would be fulfilled, and then the money left over would be given to iran, which it was. >> as 1979 became 1980, this began to eat heavily into the political year of 1980, the year for which you had been planning to run for re-election. >> that's true. >> fightin