my guests, matthew alfred and muhammad desai are still with me. thank you, gentlemen for sticking around. let me start with muhammad. any reaction to any of the stories that we have covered so far? i think that one. on the one hand, whilst israel has especially on the african continent and to some degree attempting on in latin america, whilst israel has tried to use economics and has tried to use finance, has basically tried to bribe uh african states and african nations for its support or for their support for its positions. i think that israel in the main has been failing, i think that the... african continent, both a government level, but also a people level, are still ensuring that old links to the palestinian struggle and to the palestinian people are remaining and are only but increasing. we've seen this in the recent past, where israel attempted to enter the african union, but that decision is now being put on hold, we know that israel tried to had an africa israel conference, and that conference was cancelled. we know various other attempts

muhammad desai, director of africa for palestine, the continent's largest palestine solidarity human rights organization, and co-founder of boycott, devestment and sanctions south africa. muhammed of course wears many other hats, he is in duplin, but he's based in south africa. welcome to you both, let me start with you, uh, matthew, well, this is now the second month um, of the israeli bombardment of the gaza strip, and of course the killing. that are going on in the west bank, your reflections so far uh, well my reflections are that it is a uh not just major humanitarian disaster, but also a very significant geopolitical issue which is going to have ramifications for um years if not decades to come. um, i think it's interesting and perhaps even encouraging uh that there is huge backlash to what israel is doing and huge cry for peace. um, even in my own home city of... bath, which is very small sea conservative, lib dem um uh city uh, for the first time in 10 years, for the first time since the occupy movement, if you remember if you remember that, um, the anti-wall street movement,