-backed mujahideen commander in the 190s against the soviets. but of the seive yets left he gave up his weapons and lived his life as a baker. one morning, militia members of the afghan government showed up at miss bakery and said, are you hadin? he said, yes, they says you're a terrorist. and he said, what is happening in they wouldn't explain help had a gun to his head. they handed him over to the u.s. forces at kandahar airfield, the main u.s. base in the area, and there -- this is 2002 so this is command at the time. there he was tortured by u.s. soldiers. he had metal hooks inserted into this mouth. electrocuted, but he insisted on his innocence and so he was released eventually back to the custody of the afghan militiamen. the militiamen took item to a private jail and hung him upside-down by his feet for 20 or 22 hours a day. and they would come in at various points and whip him with big cables. in fact the person that was hanging next to him was a very prominent tribal elder. not a taliban member, just prominent tribal elder who eventual

there was an old guy who is a veteran mujahideen who couldn't stop yammering about the proper way to shoot a stinger missile and how the kids today just you know. [laughter] the hipster jihadis. he was a really interesting character. he was in his late 60s a big white beard and during the day he worked for the karzai government as a deputy minister of irrigation helping to dig canals and irrigation ditches throughout the country. at night he went out with this taliban comrades and blew them up. is the great cycle of life. there's one business against the other. he asked me what do americans think of us? why do they think we are at war with them and they said they think you hate their freedoms. they think you don't like that women are not wearing burkas. they think you don't like pornography. they think you don't like their liberal lifestyle and he just started laughing and laughing and laughing. he said look at vietnam. he said you killed 2 million vietnamese people but today you can go to vietnam as an american mba tourists, stay on the beach, eat great food and everyone treats you

supporting the soviet union in afghanistan, rebrand themselves as islamis, mew gentleman deep, and -- mujahideen, and joined the other side out of survival instinks. it wasn't that the taliban all of a sudden embraced the western project but recognized to be able to survive they have to pledge allegiance to the new authority. so they all quit the taliban, repudiated the taliban and joined the afghan government of hamid karzai, and i have, for example, a transcript of a press conference given by one of the major taliban leaders at the time in 2001, basically asking people from religious institutions in madras not give donations to to taliban and if you have donations, give them to the afghan government. so one after the next taliban commanders were in public ceremonies handing over their wins to the afghan government in some cases directly to the u.s. forces. some began working with the u.s. forces to try to help stabilize the situation. and so you had a situation that you had a circumstance in early 2002 in which there were no more taliban. the taliban effectively ceased to exist as a military a

if we had done nothing in the 80s to support mujahideen potentially the soviets would still have have been happy to clear that nothing in 2001 that al qaeda would have remained there. have we left after al qaeda was ejected after late 2001 and left the afghans to their own devices what we would have had was a country that was damaged by the soviet war. then traumatized by another decade of civil war and the rise of warlords. then suddenly the appending of the taliban government on the fall of 2001 they had 20 years of this incredible sort of upset and kids hadn't been in school and all these different things so had we walked out there than i think what we would have seen is arise of the warlord driven civil war that had been in the early 90s. the taliban were accepting in 9496 because they swept it away. i think that's what would have happened. >> the young gentleman over there 13 or 14 years old. when we think about we have this debate now about isis and we authorize these military forces to going kill people who want to kill us if they're ever going to be a point for that young man