. >> well, general michael mukasey is right. it is one thing to receive information through this process. it is another to meet the burden of proof in a criminal trial where trump will have the opportunity to cross-examine witnesses and present their own proof and then tried to convince a jury of innocence. so, no question, the information that went through this committee is very disturbing. is certainly with respect to how the republic is seeing this. when we talk about criminal prosecution, that is a different story. and of course, the hearings are not over yet. some would argue that a referral is really immaterial. hopefully they will receive all of the information that is assembled and compiled by the commission and then, after consulting with his senior team, he will make a determination as to whether or not to move forward. even if the decision is close, he may decide not to do so. why? because in the history of this country, i don't believe a former president has ever been subject to a trial. first, the attention of the n