>> here at the sandia national laboratories, department of energy security specialists like john mulder to hack into the computer systems of power and water companies and other sensitive targets in order to figure out the best way to sabotage them. it's all done with the companies' permission in order to identify their vulnerabilities, and this is a graphic demonstration of how they could have destroyed an oil refinery by sending out code that caused a crucial component to overheat. >> the first thing you would do is turn it to manual controls so that your automatic controls aren't protecting you. >> what would be your main target here? >> the heating element and the re-circulator pump. if we could malfunction both of those, we could cause an explosion. >> how would you do that? >> the first thing we had to do was actually gain access to the network, and that's--we just got that as launch attack. and then we turn up the btus, and then we're turning off the re-circulator pump. there we go. >> how realistic is this? >> it's very realistic. >> but the companies are under no obligation to f