a man would not have gotten that same response for the chicago trip started out in the muller porter sink roi have a sister who is in trouble. and all of the doctors and their wives went to see the actual woman in question before they would give any advice. i think the downside of them, both of those things made that desirable. people really want to read it. he was talking about things it'd not been talked about before and this very deliberately charming way. but the downside was they were not taken seriously then. and they do not present themselves particularly serious. they are not taken particular serious now. i think that was one of my tasks, what happens to take them seriously. >> host: just a follow from that, how far were these outliers from the conventional course their lives would've otherwise taken? >> you think about always hard to tell what the conventional course is. we have articles talking about articles in question. certainly these women did not write for the most respectable paper. the times, the most, we do not really hire women for anything but the society pages. s