mulligan.'s a lot of things in here that's ridiculous. >> but now cbs "this morning" obtained an audiotape of a glendale police department encounter with brian mulligan that occurred two days before the lapd incident. >> i know this sounds crazy but i feel there's people following me, i feel like there was a chopper, do you hear a chopper? >> we don't have a helicopter up in glendale right now. we don't come up until 9:00. >> okay. maybe i'm nuts. >> you taking any medication or you diagnosed with anything? >> later in the conversation mulligan admits he recently had taken bath salts the very drug that his lawyers deny he ever used. >> is there any reason for somebody to be following you? you're not like a wanted fugitive, are you >> i, i will tell you what i, i bought some white lightning stuff which was bought at a store. so then i bought some more, i said this stuff -- >> small container. >> yeah. >> snort it? >> yes. >> bath salt? >> don't know what it is. >> how many times did you use it?

on wednesday, october 10, circuit brother brian and melissa morris and merck mulligan and officer james johnson of the central station responded to a fire at 8 -- 824 height street in downtown san francisco. officers found the first and second story buildings involved in flames. leaving the residents, many of them students inside the six- story building in grave danger. officers immediately entered the building and began evaluating the evidence, pounding on doors and alerting them there was a fire. many of them were still asleep. essentially they were forced to withdraw from the building because the heat was so intense in the building. the fire department was still in route to the fire. not until the fire department arrived did it take over the evacuation of the fire personnel were ordered out of the building onto the street for the structure at 824 high street, and asphalt and some of the fire equipment had to be moved because the heat was so intense it was buckling the street and the water pipes. the fire spread quickly and started the fire department personnel were overwhelmed. build

. -- mulligan. i was negotiating for 261 members who live in marin county. so, we've always been kind of confronted with this what's good for san francisco versus what's good for working people in general. and i'm sensitive to that. we support local hires, for example, to the detriment of the union members that live outside of this county. those union members that live in san mateo county and those union members that live in marin county. the item before us, i see is slated to go before the san francisco board of supervisors. those officials, they don't have those same concerns. they solely represent or concern themselves with the plight of working people who live here in this town. that is why i'm inclined to move this item along for their consideration. because while i always love to see a whole bunch of big strong working guys in a room, i think the conversation probably is better had over there. and i think it would be wrong for us to -- it would be wrong for us given the fact that we do have a labor management partnership. i know exactly who represents

she is still supported in her cancer journey by their best buddy and good friend pam mulligan and she still credits buddy check 9 for finding her breast cancer. >> you have done it for so long and touched so many people and you certainly were completely responsible for me finding my lump. you were responsible for saving my life. >> reporter: now deb is it forward the buddy check way. she reminds women in person about the steps to good breast health. >> wcbc. >> reporter: and she's convinced a local radio station to do it on air. >> by the way, how is your cancer in remission? >> excellent. >> you caught it early? >>it's not in remission. it's just gone. >> reporter: for a year now 1270 am has been airing buddy check reminders. it reaches licensers in cumberland -- listeners in cumberland. partisany is the general mb of -- mary is the general manager. >> you don't know how many lives you truly touched but if we make a difference in one, it's worth it. >> think of the thousands of people that have heard it. it's -- if a few of them stop and think oh, i haven't done a breast frame for a

casey mulligan argues that point in an op-ed in "the new york times." i admire you for writing what you wrote. because when you addressed this topic in the media, you get slaughtered. right? it is like you're blaming people who are out of work. that's not what you're doing. you're pointing out though that more benefits could be a negative for job creation? >> yeah. helping people is intrinsically good. helping people is good. but it is not free. we've been told the myth that when we help people, it actually helps everybody. that's not true. helping people is not free. it takes away incentives. people have -- there's a group of people out there who react to those incentives and spend less and that's been known for a long time. that's nothing new. i didn't invent that. we've known that for a long time. what's new is the huge, huge number and variety of ways we have to help people and therefore the huge number and variety of incentives we've erode. >> historically speaking then david, do you see any holes in casey's argument? >> well, i have to admit i am