sort of if we would have some arguments or anything he was never someone of saying, "mumma, i'm sorryf he could come back today he probably would have said, "i'm sorry, mumma, i made a mistake." let's talk about the very public debate that is so dominant now about what to do with this terrorist threat in western societies, obviously particularly important and painful discussion in the uk right now. you've worked with a gentleman called daniel koehler in germany, who is an expert on deradicalisation, and you set up your own families for life group here in the united kingdom. do you believe your experience gives you something important you can offer to this debate? absolutely i do. i'm notjust a trained counsellor by trade anyway but i've also gone through this, i've actually travelled across europe and gone all over the place to get those answers, notjust for myself, and i certainly know i have experienced those tools and the skills and the knowledge to pass on to other families and that's what i've been doing over these last months, is passing that on. certainly a lot of families when