munroe. bergdorf's. man. um andifs >> munroe. bergdorf's. man.feminism . um, but if we support feminism. um, but if we can't say what the difference is between a man and a woman, it's impossible to do any of that . impossible to do any of that. um, un women uk , one of their um, un women uk, one of their big campaigns is about what they call so making the call safe spaces. so making the pubuc call safe spaces. so making the public domain safe for women. and that include having single—sex spaces and if you can't say what a man is and what a woman is, just out of the gate, you can't do that. and of course, un women uk and munroe bergdorf would say, well, we'll say that that say it would say that that transgender women are women, that women is a kind of identity category rather than a biological category. >> or it can be both . what do >> or it can be both. what do you that argument ? you make of that argument? >> sexist nonsense. i mean, >> it's sexist nonsense. i mean, munroe bergdorf , uh, has had a munroe bergdorf, uh, has had a lot of plastic s

it's about munroe bergdorf. not about munroe bergdorf.hat the un are doing for what the un women are doing for women. i it could you women. and i it could you imagine if it was for men? so could you imagine if a trans man decided or was given the role to represent men in. do you think that would go down well , he that would go down well, he wouldn't have it, would they? >> it wouldn't go down well. but we do we? we don't really see that, do we? >> mean, like with sports >> i mean, it's like with sports you see a female that's you don't see a female that's transitioned into, transitioned to male going into, you , the men's sports. you you know, the men's sports. you just don't see that. it just doesn't happen. all of these cases seem to be biological males that are going into women's spaces, sports, women's spaces, women's sports, the stuff . we're women's spaces, women's sports, the seeing stuff . we're women's spaces, women's sports, the seeing that. stuff . we're women's spaces, women's sports, the seeing that. and stuff . we're women's

and let's just. >> and so let's look at munroe bergdorf uh, essentially he, uh, he her cv because actuallyous claims in the past. but, uh, i mean, facebook had to remove some posts. uh, she said she angered feminists by saying that women are getting feminists wrong . uh, shouldn't focus on wrong. uh, shouldn't focus on male reproduction. she was actually a, um , i think she was actually a, um, i think she was actually a, um, i think she was a model by l'oreal paris who dropped her because of some of her comments about about, uh, about white people . uh, she, um. about white people. uh, she, um. yeah.i about white people. uh, she, um. yeah. i mean , she said some yeah. i mean, she said some pretty outrageous stuff. she said all white people as a group are brought up racist. i mean, can someone who's got those sorts of views really be a champion for women ? champion for women? >> well, richard, come on, your members of your party have made some fairly outrageous statements in public and but can do good. so she's certainly a name that we know. she's a face that will promote. let's just look a

and let's just. >> and so let's look at munroe bergdorf uh, essentially he, uh, he her cv because actuallyous claims in the past. but, uh, i mean, facebook had to remove some posts. uh, she said she angered feminists by saying that women are getting feminists wrong . uh, shouldn't focus on wrong. uh, shouldn't focus on male reproduction. she was actually a, um , i think she was actually a, um, i think she was actually a, um, i think she was a model by l'oreal paris who dropped her because of some of her comments about about, uh, about white people . uh, she, um. about white people. uh, she, um. yeah.i about white people. uh, she, um. yeah. i mean , she said some yeah. i mean, she said some pretty outrageous stuff. she said all white people as a group are brought up racist. i mean, can someone who's got those sorts of views really be a champion for women ? champion for women? >> well, richard, come on, your members of your party have made some fairly outrageous statements in public and but can do good. so she's certainly a name that we know. she's a face that will promote. let's just look a

untold so this trans model, uh, munroe bergdorf has, uh, has been, uh.e this like champion of women. but 17 campaign groups have said, oh no , we're not having that. all these kind of women's rights groups. so bergdorf , 36, model groups. so bergdorf, 36, model and broadcaster, was given the post of the first un woman uk champion in november and you un women uk supports the work of un women uk supports the work of un women , uh, to improve the lives women, uh, to improve the lives of women and girls. so you can see where this is going. they're talking about empowerment of women and the terfs talking about empowerment of womeihaving and the terfs talking about empowerment of womeihaving it and the terfs talking about empowerment of womeihaving it . and the terfs talking about empowerment of womeihaving it . the|d the terfs talking about empowerment of womeihaving it . the trans terfs aren't having it. the trans exclusionary radical feminists saying this is entirely inappropriate . um, and not only inappropriate. um, and not only that , but but inappropria

>> why are we unhappy that munroe bergdorf is has been appointed to this post?ting in women's sports ? it's because in women's sports? it's because they're men. why do we not want them in women's spaces? it's because they're men. if we can't say that, how can we protect women's rights ? women's rights? >> well, obviously they'd argue that not men, that they that they're not men, that they go out of their way and go through a pretty torrid time to not be men and perhaps there are many trans women in the united kingdom who face exactly the same sort of catcalling , who same sort of catcalling, who face the same sort of sexual assault, who face the same sort of misogyny that many women do going about their daily lives , too. >> i'm not sure you're right on that one, tom. >> no , i don't think you're >> no, i don't think you're right. and that, you know, i have no idea what it feels like to be a man who wishes he was a woman and a man who wishes he has a woman, has no idea what it feels like to be a woman. he doesn't go through anything to doesn't go through anythin

because in the latest insult to women everywhere, the controversial transgender model munroe bergdorfme and girls. now, if that name sounds familiar, you remember her from this . her from this. >> these are the sentences that you wrote. i don't have the energy to talk about racial violence of white people. yes, all white people. >> the uncomfortable truth is that the white race is the most violent and oppressive force of nature on earth . nature on earth. >> yeah. i mean, look , hey, >> yeah. i mean, look, hey, maybe i'm old fashioned, but perhaps it's not the best idea to pick someone to represent british women and girls, most of whom , of course, will actually whom, of course, will actually be white. but on top of that, bergdorf has also been accused of homophobic social media posts in which she branded someone a hairy, barren lesbian. this appointment has caused fury amongst women rights campaign groups, with at least 17 of them signing a letter opposing the decision . christine, is that an decision. christine, is that an inqu decision. christine, is that an insult to women ? insul

model and broadcaster munro bergdorf has got the job and women's rights groups have written to the une now is fiona mackinnon. she's the sports lead at fair play for women. thanks for joining the sports lead at fair play for women. thanks forjoining us, fiona. quite simply, what planet are the un on? >> well, that is the question. and we should bear in mind this is un women uk who have said that their mission is to ensure safe choice and a voice for all women. >> now, what kind of message is it to say that the best voice to speak for women is actually man? >> i think that's a terrible message to give to women and girls in the uk. >> and not only a man, but one with a very controversial past who's kicked off about white supremacy . he was kicked of supremacy. he was kicked out of jobs as a consequence of it. so all things considered, not not a woman, a biological male , and woman, a biological male, and also not particularly pleasant. one by the sounds of it. what about getting an actual real woman into this job who actually sticks up for real women's rights? >> well, and it's worse th

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