some common ground, because when this explodes, this anabaptist fervor- for instance, the town of munster, a group of radical anabaptists took over the town, and they said, "jesus is coming back at any time now, and we need to be holy." so they took over the town, and they actually persecuted lutherans and catholics in it. well, shortly thereafter, an army made up of both protestants and catholics surrounded the town, and many people were- died. now out of that, someone, like mennonites, like simon, comes out of there and says, "we have to have a more neutral path." and so a certain set of doctrines were developed that the amish eventually draw on. jacob amman, the founder of the amish, tries to find a ground that is not radical, that is not so disruptive, but keeps that wall there. and we look to that period of time, where we're talking about the avoidance- you've heard of the shunning, or avoidance, the ban- that becomes part of it. if somebody has fallen away into sin, not to punish them so much, but to restore them, to bring them back into the fold. so we see that today in the amish r